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Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by kappattack on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @10:26PM (#30694605)
Sounds like he broke some kinda of NDA which he probably signed himself, resulting in removal from the beta program and being let go from his position. That kinda sucks, because it seems his content did have a positive spin to it and it doesnt seem like he meant to hurt anyone or the company.

I don't see whats wrong with the action taken though. He probably agreed to these terms and then he broke them. Whether he was aware that he was going against his own agreement or not is out of the question. I don't like Tesla as a company or a car manufacturer (nothing personal, I just wouldnt buy their cars) and I agree that this response was probably to be expected by anyone who was aware of the terms surrounding their employment and the internal beta access that position grants them.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by benatkin on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @11:19PM (#30694979)
I have to share the road with people in the FSD beta program, and I never signed an NDA for the FSD beta program, so I think I should be able to hear people recount their driving experiences on public roads with me.
Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by ajross on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @12:03AM (#30695192)
There is no NDA required for FSD beta access. Certainly I never signed one. What would you like to know?
Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by benatkin on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @12:55AM (#30695480)
There used to be one. https://insideevs.com/news/539939/tesla-drops-ndas-latest-fs...

I don't have any questions at the moment - I'm still absorbing information from AI Addict: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByKE6RZjYes

He probably signed an NDA for it (by joining it before 10.2), and I'm grateful that he isn't following the likely-unenforceable NDA.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by joezydeco on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @01:00AM (#30695497)
As a pedestrian, will this beta release attempt to kill me? That's been on my mind.
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Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by sofixa on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @04:03AM (#30696384)
That's a jump. Ukraine's president asks for Starlink because you know, his country is under a brutal invasion and many services are getting cut in the active warzones, and Musk for once does a decent thing by accepting, and your interpretation is that Musk is helping NATO? The alliance that doesn't participate in the conflict besides cry and send help to the invaded country.
Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by ashwagary on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @08:15AM (#30697810)
>Elon already proved he would use Starlink to assist Nato.

It was a bit of a joke but there is some truth to it.

Do you think only civilians use the internet connection he provided? The troops that Nato trained for the past 8 or so years rely on uninterrupted internet connections as well.

Teslas are a perfect mobile surveillance tool with cameras, GPS, remote control capabilities, etc...

It's not a stretch to expect they could easily be used as ground versions of aerial drones with the benefit of plausable deniability (FSD Beta did it).

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @03:19AM (#30696134)
What a stupid comparison.

Oh my god he's spreading internet somewhere nato wants it. Definitely willing to kill, yep yep.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by ashwagary on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @08:19AM (#30697837)
Once you get in bed with the military it's a slippery slope. Isn't google using their computer vision tech to help better target 'enemies' on the battle field?

During a bear market or temporary downturn induced squeeze, these sort of relationships and contracts may not just seem more attractive but financially necessary.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @06:52PM (#30705172)
Supplying consumer internet service, also to the military, isn't what I would call "getting in bed with the military".
Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by ashwagary on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @11:40PM (#30707413)
>also to the military.

No need to put it that way as if you don't understand the priorities.

We'll check back in a few years and see if I'm wrong about the trajectory. Btw, I've been right about most tech companies, 2013-2015 leaks made that clear.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by Dylan16807 on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:27AM (#30707673)
The priority of getting publicity?

But priority doesn't really matter when they're selling the same thing they sell to everyone else, and it's a small sliver of their business.

Making a military-spec computer vision system is very different from providing internet to many people including a military.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by ashwagary on Thursday March 17, 2022 @10:26PM (#30718133)
>The priority of getting publicity? >But priority doesn't really matter

Priority does matter and it should be common sense that connecting an army to the internet is a higher priority than connecting civilians, especially during a conflict/war.

Let's be serious, anyone reading this thread will understand the point that you seem to be trying to avoid.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by ryandrake on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @01:42PM (#30701758)
My guess is you're right. Many companies have terms in their employee agreements limiting what employees can say/post about the company publicly, including via social media, YouTube, and so on. Many are extremely restrictive and enforced regularly. For example, good luck finding a non-throwaway HN poster self-identifying as an Apple employee. I don't talk about my employer here or even contribute to threads about it. These agreements are very common, check your employment agreement--you might have agreed to one, too.
Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by amelius on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @07:56AM (#30697671)
They are running that beta program on public streets, where everybody's safety is involved.

An NDA is not appropriate as an argument here.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by rattray on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @09:06AM (#30698268)
The driver surely has access to nonpublic information, even if some of what they do is publicly observable.

Not having an NDA would be inappropriate for any beta tester of a proprietary product, regardless of the location in which their testing primarily occurs.

For context, NDA's are extremely common - in my experience, you can scarcely have a coffee chat with a tech employee at their office without signing one.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by itsoktocry on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @08:29AM (#30697925)
>I don't see whats wrong with the action taken though. He probably agreed to these terms and then he broke them.

Today I learned that some people in this industry are fine with NDAs and onerous terms of services for "cool" companies.

Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by mlindner on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @10:29PM (#30694625)
Yes that's precisely what seems to have happened. A lot of people here have irrational hatred toward Musk and/or Tesla though.
Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by AniseAbyss on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @11:32PM (#30695031)
Perhaps. I also see the reverse: the man is practically worshipped as a god for nerds.
Re:Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech r... by sofixa on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @04:06AM (#30696400)
And on one hand, his shit quality far right memes are pushing some people off his bandwagon, but I fear for the rest.