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Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by throwaway_4ever on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:41AM (#30450854)
Yes, the "NATO problem". The "problem" that is actually defending countries from invasions instead of letting their people, in a country that is not even close to being in NATO, die at the hands of tyrants.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by p1esk on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:50AM (#30450934)
What would US do if Russia decided to build military bases in Mexico or Cuba?
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by HWR_14 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:26AM (#30451234)
To make the metaphor correct, what would the US do if Mexico or Cuba asked Russia to build a military base just after the US took some of their territory and Russia continually said no.

Because Russia just took Crimea a few years ago and NATO refused to allow them to join. And Russia has agreed Crimea was part of Ukraine as recently as 1994.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by throwaway894345 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:14AM (#30451128)
Fair enough. How many bases has the US built in Ukraine anyway?
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by hef19898 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:21AM (#30451676)
Ukraine? No idea. Poland, the Baltics, the southern former Soviet republics (most of which end at -stan) to support the invasion of Afghanistan, a lot.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by unilynx on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:08AM (#30451079)
Last time they set up a naval blockade.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by ethbr0 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:07AM (#30451071)
The US tried to invade Cuba (with CIA-supported Cuban rebels). It's not a hypothetical.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by xyzzy_plugh on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:06AM (#30451058)
You'll be happy to learn that you can find that answer in any number of history books.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by konart on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:53AM (#30450956)
That's the view from one side of the fence, sorry.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by throwaway894345 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:12AM (#30451112)
The side of the fence that’s being bombed for no reason. Good luck justifying that.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by konart on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:02AM (#30451524)
>no reason

Again. Reason is something one has in this mind. You may find no reason where a different person sees one.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by michaelmrose on Thursday February 24, 2022 @03:02AM (#30452008)
If you can't supply one the logical conclusion is that there is no good reason and all the reasons that flow from simple observation are terribly unsupportable morally and legally. You know that. You are vague because giving a better answer is impossible and the actual answer is unpalatable.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by avmich on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:27AM (#30451723)
Yet the reason is an important subject, and in questions like that different reasoning lead to lost lives. So it's a serious, justifiable subject to discuss.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by throwaway894345 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @09:28AM (#30455094)
I don’t find abstract philosophical arguments convincing.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by hef19898 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:27AM (#30451730)
Everyone bombs everyone, it seems. NATO bombed Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq,... Sent "peacekeepers" to loads of African countries (funny enough those countries sit on tons of raw materials). Russia bombed Georgia (not the US state of Georgia), Ukraine. China isn't bombing as much with actual bombs for now, money seems to work just fine it seems. Saudi Arabia is bombing Yemen, Israel is bombing Palestine, while Palestine is bombing Israel.

No need to justify any of that, because it all sucks and is ultimately utterly pointless. It does help so, to understand the other side. Because it makes it easier to find a solution that doesn't lead to all out war between nuclear powers. And no, I don't consider just handing Ukraine to Putin to be that solution. Or Taiwan to China, as far as that is concerned.

Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by abliefern on Thursday February 24, 2022 @02:51AM (#30451908)
Differences matter. Details matter. Stop constructing false equivalence.
Re:Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack by qw on Thursday February 24, 2022 @03:12AM (#30452082)
NATO did not go to war in Iraq as an organization. That was done by an independent coalition. After Saddam's fall, they did however take part in training the new Iraqi military.