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Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by allears on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @07:32PM (#29817424)
It's worse than that. FB maintains "phantom accounts" for everybody whether you have a FB account or not.

I've never had a FB account, but some years ago I got an email from FB listing a number of my friends and family and saying, "All these people have FB accounts. Wouldn't you like to join FB?"

The email included a reply option labeled "don't contact me again," which I chose and then replied. But a few months later I got the same invitation.

Needless to say, I found that to be deeply disturbing, and it confirmed my determination to never subscribe to FB. Later I learned about the phantom accounts. I'm sure FB maintains a dossier on me to this day.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by heavyset_go on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:57PM (#29818144)
> The email included a reply option labeled "don't contact me again," which I chose and then replied. But a few months later I got the same invitation.

All that clicking that link told Facebook is that you're a real person who reads their emails. It's like when you pick up the phone for a telemarketer, now they know they can continue bothering you because you're a real person and you answer your phone.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by alextheparrot on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:09PM (#29818243)
Wonder if that’s a fake account creation edge using that, if that signal is interpreted that clearly. Setup a bunch of fake emails, upload your “contacts” to some compromised accounts, have them click on links in the emails to enroll in FB.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by yourapostasy on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:05AM (#29821596)
> It's like when you pick up the phone for a telemarketer, now they know they can continue bothering you because you're a real person and you answer your phone.

The few times a telemarketer reaches through to me on one of my phones, I've put them off by asking in a niche foreign language in that nation whether they speak that language. Most of the time, they immediately hang up and I never hear from them again. Sometimes, they repeat their script, then hang up. I've never had someone respond in that language (that would be a blast to address).

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by southerntofu on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:11AM (#29823106)
Another strategy that works well-enough is to ask for their company's legal information and a statement on how they obtained your personal information. I have yet to find a telemarketer who wouldn't hang up on me pulling that trick.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:23AM (#29819781)
"Email verification."

Tech companies prey on people's sense of good faith.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by idatum on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:41PM (#29829784)
Or worse, phone # for "security".
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:25PM (#29833443)
It will not stop there.

Expect to be asked to provide more "factors" in the future.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by rendaw on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:59AM (#29820002)
That's a technique for avoiding criminals outside the reach of US law...
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by vintermann on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:07AM (#29820348)
Last time I got spam from an unwanted social media service (MyHeritage), I logged in, made sure to "unsubscribe" from all communication, and set the interface language to Chinese.

Guess who gets "smart matches" spam in Chinese.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by CoastalCoder on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:24PM (#29818353)
I wonder if one could successfully apply for a restraining order against Facebook's messaging, on the theory that it's harassment.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by Jansen312 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:58PM (#29819609)
Doable. But need $. It is restraining order not a lawsuit. It is harrassment basically if they send into your email inbox unwarranted. Same goes with robot calls, and it is hard to stop them not even with congress passing laws to deal with them. At this stage, we just have to ignore it. You might want to opt for text-based emails which wont trigger any html/css feedback to FB knowing you read it (maybe tutanota mail?)
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by yeetaccount4 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:21AM (#29819760)
Too lazy to internet search, can you apply a restraining order to an organization?
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by bobiny on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:49AM (#29820602)
Most emails have unsubscribe button, it’s easier that restraining order I think.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by Lio on Thursday January 06, 2022 @06:47AM (#29822410)
Only if that the person sending you email abids by the "unsubscribe" and doesn't just use it to confirm that you use this email address.

I would lay money that Facebook just uses that unsubscribe as another data point.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by userbinator on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:05PM (#29817699)
but some years ago I got an email from FB

I'm curious how it got your email -- and decided to use it. I have several publicly visible emails, and they've received plenty of spam, but none from FB like that.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by wackro on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:10PM (#29817735)
People allowing the app to access their contacts presumably. Contacts can contain email addresses as well as phone numbers.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by allears on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:20PM (#29817830)
I'm pretty sure FB accessed the contact lists of some of my friends. I've never installed the app or otherwise interacted with FB.

I also know that one of my so-called "friends" posted a group picture with me in it, and labeled the people in the picture. At one point I did a search to see what information was out there about myself, and that picture popped up associated with my name.

I guess that I'm just another casualty of the information age, in spite of my best efforts.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by nerdponx on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:30PM (#29817917)
I have resorted to actively asking people to not tag me in photos.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by JKCalhoun on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:19PM (#29819339)
We reach.

But with ML facial recognition I figure the jig is up.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by politician on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:09AM (#29819690)
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by vintermann on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:13AM (#29820384)
Clearview is notable only for their brazenness. It's easy to code up face recognition these days if you have the data, and again, it's brazenness (in scraping) which is Clearview's main advantage here.

In general, AI that's hawked at CEO types and police is mostly snake oil, inferior to what you can make yourself if you read hackernews and are willing to dive into Arxiv.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by junon on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:25PM (#29818362)
I know someone that did the initial internal report to Apple about this years ago. This is exactly what it is. They use your contact data to create what are essentially graph nodes in a database, even if you've never signed up.

Not sure how much of that has changed since then. But contact data is by far the most valuable mined from phones. Facebook is no exception.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by Jansen312 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:01AM (#29819625)
Probably FB has enough tech and data to recreate a virtual you as NPC in metaverse.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by politician on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:11AM (#29819696)
"'Login with Facebook' today to claim your NPC in the metaverse" /shivers
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by dessant on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:21PM (#29817834)
They do the same in WhatsApp, the app collects your personal data through your aquintances, and they hold your social graph even if you're not a WhatsApp user.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by Nextgrid on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:59AM (#29821517)
There's a reason Facebook paid billions for an essentially free (and ad-free) chat app and chose to leave it that way.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by rvense on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:40AM (#29821893)
Didn't LinkedIn once (ten years ago) ask for your email login credentials when you signed up?

I know it suggested my ex-girlfriend as a connection when I opened my account, five years after we'd last talked.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by entityDev on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:09PM (#29819258)
Dude, sometime around 2010-2014, FB was asking users for the email accounts of their friends 'to contact them on their behalf'. I may have the dates wrong, but I remember being pretty pissed at the time, as my so-called 'friends' were feeding them not only my email but other info as well through polls and stuff. . I never used FB at all - yet I was getting emails as described by author, but years ago when they pulled that BS. I'm on Facebook and linked to it without ever opting in, because of what my own friends/family/coworkers give them.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by GauntletWizard on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:13PM (#29817768)
From your friends and family's phones, where they have a contact card for you, nicely labeled.

There's a lot of data flowing around out there, and people overwhelmingly willingly hand it over. You'd think that there would be a law that, having collected that data, they would be required to hold it in confidence - Not for you, but as an agent of the friend who gave them that data. And there likely is, but good luck getting it enforced.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by southerntofu on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:15AM (#29823144)
Facebook doesn't scrap random websites for contact info. They used to rely on connecting to your Hotmail/Gmail account about a decade ago, and parsing contacts from people "stupid" enough to install FB app on their smartphone when such things started to spread. Facebook certainly knows my phone number although i've never had a Facebook account: that's completely fucked up.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by jazzyjackson on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:19PM (#29817818)
as far as receiving the email, it may have been one of their friends sent an invite, but the list of people they likely knew probably left a bigger impression than "so and so wants you to join facebook"

This is basically how LinkedIn grew their network - read your addressbook, put a "invite everyone you know" button in the on-boarding slideshow. Facebook just does the extra work of noticing your email in other people's address books, so they can tell you who your friends will be before you even sign up.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by allears on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:23PM (#29817853)
Nope, it wasn't an "invite" from any friend. It was an email from FB itself. My understanding is that this was a short-lived campaign of theirs that was discontinued after they got some blowback. But I'm sure they still maintain a dossier on me.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by tjpnz on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:00PM (#29819203)
I've been receiving emails but of the joining as an employee variety. It started as LinkedIn recruiter spam which I ignored but then I discovered they had signed me up to one of their "working at Meta" newsletters. Not only creepy but a violation of LinkedIn's anti-spam policies.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by mrjin on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:07AM (#29820712)
By clicking "don't contact me again" you were actually confirm that email managed to get to a valid mail box. What you should have done is really report it as junk to your email provider so that they can block it in the future.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by Crontab on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:46PM (#29818048)
I've always suspected that Google does something like this with everyone a person emails via Gmail. I don't this, it just sounds like something an advertising company would do.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by southerntofu on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:17AM (#29823160)
Is Facebook anything else than an advertisement company? I mean, apart from being a political police company working with intelligence services across the globe to crush dissent, obviously.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by bobiny on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:52AM (#29820624)
It’s probably because your friends chose to sync contacts and your phone was number was there.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by musicale on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:33AM (#29820892)
> I'm sure FB maintains a dossier on me to this day.

I almost read that as FBI dossier. Similar idea, though presumably for advertising purposes.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by throwJan22 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:11PM (#29818252)
FB is just another ad selling company. If you have an account it helps them know about you, if you dont have an account it makes sense they'll still have a profile for you.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by entityDev on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:10PM (#29819277)
FB wants to track all your networks, whether they are onsite or not. Once the databases via your email or other (Cell #) get shared amongst corporations, through agreements, buyouts, or 'hacked leaks' they get access to other info quite easily
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Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by seaman1921 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:45PM (#29818045)
> I have no idea if it's true.

Please avoid such comments, they just add noise and distract everyone from the original discussion.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by southerntofu on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:09AM (#29823083)
That comment was very relevant, although not 100% true. Facebook does (or at least did) incentivize people to post photos of users who don't have a photo yet, and to "identify" people even if they don't have an account. That's part of their phantom profiles exposed by Max Schrems and friends.

To my knowledge, there is no monetary compensation involved (bounty) though.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by thehappypm on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:02PM (#29818181)
So let’s say you run an e-commerce site. Someone adds a bunch of stuff to their cart. You want to remember this so that when they come back their cart is still filled in. Is that a “phantom account”?
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by throwaway946513 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:32AM (#29824794)
That's generally done with browser cookies. But not such a phantom account. Nowhere near the same.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by thehappypm on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:26PM (#29828596)
So let’s say the company wants to save the cart, the user’s favorites, and their search preferences so when they come back it’s still there. A cookie isn’t a database. So they store that info in a DB using the cookie id as the index. Is that a phantom account? You’ve got rows in a DB for a user who never signed up.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by throwaway946513 on Friday January 07, 2022 @10:44AM (#29840415)
Generally when you want to save favorites, most, as far as I've used, storefronts require that you create an account before allowing those functions.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by thehappypm on Friday January 07, 2022 @03:50PM (#29844623)
You can book a hotel room as a guest on many hotel sites
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by boardwaalk on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:10PM (#29818247)
No. What are you getting at? Better to not be deliberately obscure about it.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by tiahura on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:55PM (#29818126)
And? In free countries, I don't need your permission to remember who you are and facts about you.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by Biganon on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:12PM (#29819284)
That's laughably incorrect. Whatever "free country" means, there are precise rules regarding the info you're allowed to keep and organize about me.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by oarabbus_ on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:22AM (#29820437)
I'd rather not take the side of the person you're responding to, but it's unclear what you mean. You can certainly keep and organize as much info about your neighbor or the president of the USA as you want.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by saddlerustle on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:55PM (#29818127)
Facebook does not maintain "accounts" on non-users in a meaningful way and they have stated this multiple times to multiple regulators [1]. An email campaign being sent to an intersection of a bunch of users's contacts is not evidence of "phantom accounts".

[1] https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/06/fina...

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by tw04 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:02PM (#29818180)
You mean the Facebook that paid $4.9 Billion to protect their CEO from government scrutiny? The facebook that stated multiple times to multiple regulators that they would not use whatsapp user data for ad serving purposes.... and then they did it anyway?

Pardon my skepticism if your only source of truth is "Facebook told regulators".

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by saddlerustle on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:07PM (#29818783)
The choice is between multiple regulatory investigations not actioning this specific issue over multiple years of the some of the most intense global scrutiny on a company in recent history verses believing somebody's tangentially related anecdote.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by kjellsbells on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:25PM (#29819380)
You might be right or wrong, i dont know, bjt i can say with great certainty that a regulator doing nothing in the face of multiple credible accusations has no relationship to whether those accusations are true or not. Sometimes the regulator is overloaded/backlogged, sometimes they have been captured by the industry they regulate, sometimes there is pressure applied to not investigate, and do on. But it need not mean tbat there was no wrongdoing.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:47PM (#29819107)
BS. I 'deleted' my Facebook account years ago, but my GF still gets "Wish $first_name a happy $year-1900+$suffix birthday!" emails every January 1. The emails still include a thumbnail of the photo from my account.

Facebook doesn't delete shit. If you work at Facebook, you need to evaluate the ethical course of your life and career and reconsider the choices that led you to this place. There are other employers that pay almost as well and that don't treat 1984 like a mission statement.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by Ostrogodsky on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:23AM (#29819782)
Expect Yann LeCun to appear at any minute to say he is practically a saint for working at Facebook that he is doing it for the betterment of humanity and not for money since he could "earn much more at many other companies"
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by kjs3 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:30PM (#29819407)
Yeah...OP is a shill. And "Facebook" on a resume isn't a positive for many of us.
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by msbarnett on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:03PM (#29818195)
> Facebook does not maintain "accounts" on non-users in a meaningful way and they have stated this multiple times to multiple regulators

And surely they'd never mislead anybody regarding what data they keep.

Which admittedly makes it a bit hard to explain how, despite having completely deleted my account several years ago (yes, not just deactivated, I went through all the little guilt-trip pleas not to delete), they managed to accidentally (a bug, presumably) send me a Friend Suggestion email several weeks ago (suggesting someone I actually do know, no less) considering that by their own words they should have wiped both that email address and the social graph associated with it several years earlier...

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by loosetypes on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:10PM (#29818251)
Same boat - I get really frustrated by the “someone tried to access your account” emails from Facebook.

Oh, you mean the account that you confirmed as deleted 8+ years ago??

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by lnxg33k1 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:03PM (#29818201)
We trust what facebook says because it's a trustworthy company that never lied to anyone, right?
Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by rvense on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:43AM (#29821916)
Yeah, it's not in the same table in the database as the regular accounts, so they don't have "accounts".

There's still a list of names and a bunch of data. No question.

Re:Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are ... by dfghdfhs on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:01AM (#29821062)
And you believe Facebook's statements why?