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Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by dkdbejwi383 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:19AM (#29794976)
> It's happened again and again with other words. "often" (older pronunciation: "offen"), "Anthony" (older pronunciation: "Antony") and "tortoise" (older pronunciation: "tortuss") are examples where the spelling pronunciation still hasn't totally won out.

What are the "new" pronunciations for these? I'm a native speaker and I'd pronounce them the way you've indicated is "older".

Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by SilasX on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:32AM (#29795120)
Yeah and my mom would even scold me, growing up, for pronouncing the t in often.
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by SilasX on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @12:00PM (#29796982)
Follow-up shower thought: French kids must deal with that on steroids, since a) most terminal consonant letters are silent, and b) it's mandatory to contract <le> to <l'> before a word that stars with a vowel sound. (Used <> as quotation markers just because the other options make it hard to parse.)
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by toyg on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:07AM (#29795524)
You must be a posh RP speaker ;-)

The way I hear them here in the North (of England), from most common folks, is Of-Ten, An-th-ony (with TH from "the"), and Tor-Toy-s. The T in "often" can be very short but it's definitely there.

Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by rossitter on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @11:40AM (#29796745)
> An-th-ony (with TH from "the")

Out of curiosity, is it definitely the voiced TH from "the," rather than the unvoiced TH from "thing?"

In the US the spelling pronunciation of Anthony is by far the more common (at least in my experience), but I've never heard it with a voiced TH.

Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by chadlavi on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @02:29PM (#29798968)
I think they must have meant the unvoiced "th" from "thing" not the voiced "th from "the". I've only ever heard "Anþony". I can't imagine any native English speaker saying "Anðony" unless they're drunk or otherwise slurring their speech significantly.
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by julesnp on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:14AM (#29795597)
In Canadian English we use the "Antony" and "tortuss" pronunciations as well. For "often", I usually only pronounce the 't' if the word is stressed in the sentence.
Re:Nobody Pronounces the 'B' in 'Debt' by pnut on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:31AM (#29795115)
off-ten An-thunny tor-toys