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Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Thursday December 23, 2021 @11:11PM (#29670081)
I have two!

An app for making wedding place cards that does about $1000/mo https://www.placecard.me/

A boilerplate for making SaaS apps with Python/Django that does $5k/month (highly variable) https://www.saaspegasus.com/

I also have a third that does around $150/mo. It's an app that adds analytics to GroupMe which is a WhatsApp alternative. https://chatstats.co/

I keep complete revenue and effort data here if you're curious: https://www.coryzue.com/open/

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by nickjj on Friday December 24, 2021 @08:47AM (#29673532)
Hello again Cory!

If anyone is curious, czue and I chatted about how he built and hosts Place Card Me at https://runninginproduction.com/podcast/39-place-card-me-let.... Basically a full break down of his tech stack, lessons learned, etc.. It also touches on his Django SaaS example app he linked above too.

Really nice to see your Django boilerplate is pulling in those figures, congrats.

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by jimmer22 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @05:40PM (#29697056)
Looks really cool. Would love to read a transcription of the conversation if you have one. Otherwise will check out the audio later.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by nickjj on Monday December 27, 2021 @07:17AM (#29701874)
There's no exact transcript but every few minutes or so has a 1 sentence summary with clickable timestamps to quickly find points of interest.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by Irongirl1 on Monday December 27, 2021 @09:51PM (#29709756)
This will make transcripts, pdfs etc for you:

https://designrr.io

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:13AM (#29673725)
Thanks Nick, loved geeking out with you! All the best. :)
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by franciscop on Friday December 24, 2021 @05:14AM (#29672298)
I literally shared your /open/ page the other day, I find it very cool that you have a USD/hour and that for static-ish projects it makes sense that it only increases! That does put a lot of perspective, since I feel it's similar to some of my open source projects (minus the $) in that it just keeps on giving value.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:10AM (#29673696)
Awesome, so cool you are sharing it and that's exactly the goal I have (both for myself and to inspire others).

I had the idea of adding a "time travel" feature to it, so you can see literally how terrible the numbers were early on. My hourly rate for the first year was about $3!

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by parmezan on Friday December 24, 2021 @08:06AM (#29673252)
Impressive dude.

Also from a security perspective don't forget to update those very out of date nginx webservers :)

My tool detects version 1.10.3 which was released on 31 Jan 2017

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:14AM (#29673733)
Good tip, thanks. Will make it a priority.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by Graffur on Friday December 24, 2021 @08:41AM (#29673478)
What tool do you use?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by markvdb on Friday December 24, 2021 @06:49PM (#29678932)
wget -S ?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by Rainymood on Friday December 24, 2021 @05:46AM (#29672483)
I love this so much. No frills, just software solving (boring) problems in a scalable way. All the best :)
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by jhunter1016 on Friday December 24, 2021 @07:33AM (#29673101)
This is awesome! Your dashboard is awesome too. I’ve been wanting to track time spent on my side projects, but I’ve never implemented anything. You have a chart for your time spent! So I’m wondering what you use to track that with?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:12AM (#29673710)
I use an app called toggl: https://www.toggl.com/. Highly recommend it!
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by unobatbayar on Friday December 24, 2021 @01:20AM (#29670860)
What happens when it comes to taxes? Do you pay taxes if it's from side projects? Or it's done automatically e.g. Stripe?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by natalya-api on Friday December 24, 2021 @04:20AM (#29671927)
Stripe doesn't pay taxes for you.

You may want to use Paddle (which takes a bigger chunk of your profits) for that or some other marketplace: in that way Paddle is selling to end customers, taking a cut and then paying you in a business to business transaction.

You are also responsible for other types of taxes (assuming you are working via a limited liability corporation): sales taxes / VAT, corporate taxes, personal taxes, capital gain tax.

Some countries allow you to do some trading without setting up a company but as your earnings go up it will become either not very efficient from a tax perspective or not allowed by the law.

From my experience:

You need to pay VAT in European countries no matter where you're selling from (I use vatlayer.com for getting all the different VAT rates). You generally don't need to pay taxes in other countries until you reach a threshold of earnings / number of sales.

Quaderno.io is another service which track all these different factors for you.

Sales tax / VAT is displayed and charged to customers and you need to pay it to the relevant authorities every quarter.

Then you can pay yourself a salary (which is a cost) from the money you received in the company, based on your country's personal income rates. On what's left, on your company's profit you need to pay corporate tax rate, based on your country's corporate tax rates. On the remaining profits in the company you can generally chose to pay yourself dividends (on which you pay other taxes, based on your country's tax rates on dividends). If you sell your company, you'll have to pay capital tax gain taxes on the profit you made with the company (the delta between the company's capital and how much you sold it for).

TL;DR: you probably need an accountant.

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by telesilla on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:01AM (#29671089)
Do you mean, sales taxes or personal income taxes? How a person manages those depends on their country. If you can, hire an local accountant to help or at least get advice. If the amounts get large enough you may need to open a business for yourself.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:17AM (#29673751)
Someone already added a great summary below, but yeah the short answer is "it's complicated". I personally have a single LLC for the businesses and also now hire help to make sure I'm compliant.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by maclockard on Friday December 24, 2021 @12:11AM (#29670477)
How much time do you spend a month on marketing for placecard?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:18AM (#29673762)
These days basically zero because most of my attention has moved on. I invested a ton in SEO and content early on though.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by dbbk on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:43AM (#29824078)
When you say invested, was this as in time (you wrote the content and worked on SEO yourself), or did you pay to outsource this? I'm struggling with this myself at the moment.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by danielscrubs on Sunday December 26, 2021 @05:15AM (#29691143)
Wow! Good job!

Find it very interesting that the boilerplate was leading the pack. "Don't dig for gold, sell shovels." as the quote goes.

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by wyclif on Friday December 24, 2021 @11:07PM (#29680301)
Hi Cory—your dashboard is really impressive. Did you have to reboot the wedding place card app? Because I remember you commenting somewhere—I can't remember where—that it had tanked. But obviously since this is an end-of-year report that can't be true, right?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Saturday December 25, 2021 @10:12AM (#29683896)
It tanked for the first six months of the pandemic. It's started coming back as the world has started having events again
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by beacham on Saturday December 25, 2021 @09:53AM (#29683771)
Just curious- how did you advertise/market your saaspegasus solution? I Google “boilerplate python and Django SaaS app” and your site is not front page, so I figured SEO probably isn’t the answer.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Saturday December 25, 2021 @10:10AM (#29683872)
That's odd. It's mostly SEO and content, actually.

I believe it's in the front page for Django SaaS, Django boilerplate and related terms. I haven't gone as hard after Python keywords, though I probably should...

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by averagely on Sunday December 26, 2021 @12:13PM (#29694194)
Your Open Project Dashboard is really cool. Do you have a system for keeping track of everything? Is it somehow automated? I'd like to create something similar for my own work.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:43AM (#29702433)
Thanks! The tech behind it is pretty embarrassing.

Source data is Stripe (profit), Toggl (hours) and a tiny amount of manual accounting for expenses. I manually dump the raw data once a month into a CSV file, and then have some Python scripts that do intermediate calculations and transform the output to JSON. Then a tiny bit of JS to wire up the charts. So, in short, not automated at all, but takes ~10 minutes a month to keep up to date!

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by wbharding on Thursday December 23, 2021 @11:23PM (#29670169)
Love that dashboard! Makes me wonder what your Line Impact would be for the various projects, seems like you get a lot of business value from each line of code.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:25AM (#29673812)
Ha, there's a metric that would be interesting.

Probably the secret is that I try to spend as much time marketing as I do coding... (I usually fail but I'm guessing I still manage to market more than most devs)

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by asdev on Thursday December 23, 2021 @11:45PM (#29670314)
how did you get users for Placecard and Chatstats?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:20AM (#29673776)
Place cards was a ton of content, SEO and a long game.

Chat stats is so niche that I've literally just shared it a couple times on reddit and that's basically it. But somehow Google has figured out to show it for relevant queries.

Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by kungito on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:40AM (#29671306)
Judging by time spent, saas pegasus feels less like a side job and more like a full time job
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:23AM (#29673793)
I went full time independent in June of this year which gave me a lot more time. Since then I've averaged 60-80 hours a month on it, so I guess it's approaching a half-time job...
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by Graffur on Friday December 24, 2021 @08:41AM (#29673476)
I am surprised you're making $1000/mo when you're not printing and sending out the cards. Have you thought of doing that? Would it make it more profitable?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:11AM (#29673701)
Yeah, I'm sure it would but it would also increase the complexity a lot. I like how simple and low-touch the business is - it's one of my primary criteria for choosing projects!
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by reitoei on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:17AM (#29807297)
The placecard generator is brilliant. Well done you.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by archon810 on Friday December 24, 2021 @08:30AM (#29673400)
What happened to the SaaS site in November? It jumped to $30k, is that right? That's a massive increase.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:12AM (#29673718)
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by hemmert on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:08AM (#29671125)
Amazing dashboard! Place cards are a more seasonal business, but the SaaS seems to take of nicely! Congrats!
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by peanut_worm on Saturday December 25, 2021 @08:05AM (#29682985)
Where did you get the art for your place card business?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Saturday December 25, 2021 @10:11AM (#29683884)
Mostly royalty-free image sites, e.g. pixabay.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by mytailorisrich on Friday December 24, 2021 @06:42AM (#29672794)
"Rachel Green Table one" is a nice, funny touch!
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:27AM (#29673819)
Haha, thanks! Dates me I'm sure.
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by therealdrag0 on Friday December 24, 2021 @01:07AM (#29670796)
How does chatstats make money?
Re:Ask HN: Those making $500/month on side projects in 2021 ... by czue on Friday December 24, 2021 @09:26AM (#29673818)
The free tier only imports 1,000 messages and hides a couple features. There's a $10/year upgrade to import your full chat and unlock them.