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Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jacquesm on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:12PM (#29512416)
I think there is an 'optimum' level for technology of all kinds, below that you really want more and it is clear that there is room for improvement. But once the optimum has been reached any further additions will degrade the experience.

Examples:

Car controls:

  pre: direct taps and gauges plumbed into engine parts and such, real switches and levers. 
  optimum: does what it should, not more, not less, more reliable than the old stuff, easy to fix and relatively cheap to fabricate
  too much: touchscreens. For everything.
(ICE) Car electronics:

  pre: carburettors, bad winter starts, bad fuel consumption, pollution
  optimum: EFI, highly reliable, aftermarket parts interchangeable between brands
  too much: DRM on everything, parts won't even fit same model a year older, are ridiculously expensive and unreliable to boot
TV:

  pre: two channels, black and white, bad image quality, crappy small screens
  optimum: 20 channels or so, in a way already more than you can consume, good quality color image, fairly easy to see screens (say, up to 3' across).
  too much: wall-to-wall screens that intrude on your privacy every chance they can, inability to build up your own collection of content (DRM), pay *for ever* for the same stuff
  way too much: youtube.
CPUs:

  pre: 8 bits, too slow for many applications, nice and better than an abacus though
  optimum: 1990s OS, very little eye candy, just enough to take the edge off, fast, and enough horsepower to do meaningful work
  too much: 2020 OS, nothing but eye candy, reduced functionality, telemetry, spyware, forced updates that are just as likely to improve things as they are to leave you stranded
and so on, you get the idea.

Technology has and always will have a place in my life. But my car is a 1997 model that doesn't phone home to the factory, has buttons instead of menus, my phone is a Nokia, and so on. Technology is my slave, not my master.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by dfghdfhs on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:40PM (#29512873)
Do you think it's possible that what you call optimum are exactly the state of things in your late twenties / early thirties? And anything more you just call "too much"?
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by belly_joe on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:25PM (#29513530)
FWIW I'm currently in my late twenties / early thirties and I also think the tech of 10-15 years ago was optimal.

Hypothesis 1: The 90s-00s really were the peak and it's not just a generational effect

Hypothesis 2: The nostalgia I currently feel is bad enough but oh god it's just going to get worse isn't it?

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by carabiner on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:44PM (#29513778)
I remember doing an annual complete disk reformatting, Windows reinstall in the early 2000s (restoring all my data from backups, took hours), and scandisk + defragging on the reg, and manually compiling a kernel on my Slackware box. I remember using public terminals that were crippled by adware and viruses. Good times.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by iso1631 on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:18PM (#29514227)
I've just hit 40 and think tech now is far far better than it was in the 90s. Same with media, I loved things like TNG growing up, hell I'm currently wearing a "Make it Snow" christmas jumper, but it really shows its age now.

What we do with that tech is another story. Tech is weaponised against us in every way, but that's not the tech's fault.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jfrunyon on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:56PM (#29514734)
> Tech is weaponised against us in every way, but that's not the tech's fault.

Yes, it is. Because the tech was specifically designed for it.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by skim_milk on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:57PM (#29513149)
I don't think we can have 'too much' CPU or RAM. The stuff I'm working on as a single software consultant, give me a budget of 100k and I can put out software using .Net Core and Angular that you would have needed a 10 million dollar budget in the 90's to make due to code being tied up around the restrictions of hardware. The productivity improvements from fast CPUs and large amounts of RAM are enormous and enables small businesses to use or make custom, niche, high-quality tech for next to nothing, just get someone who knows HTML and javascript well enough. It really lubricates society making us all less rigid and dependent on huge corporations and their access to capital and investment to produce social change.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by pillefitz on Saturday December 11, 2021 @02:24AM (#29519218)
Most Win95 applications were way snappier than any recent Webapp I've used or developed.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jfrunyon on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:54PM (#29514716)
Sure, $100k, plus another $100k for the latest and greatest hardware every few years (or worse yet to rent a small chunk of not-latest-or-greatest hardware for a year), plus another $100k for the software licenses...
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by arprocter on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:01PM (#29513201)
Another automotive 'advancement' is headlight bulbs you can't replace yourself - what used to take a few minutes now requires a trip to the dealer, so they can presumably dismantle the front end

Unlikely both would blow, but I'm a little surprised more fuss hasn't been made about it from a safety standpoint; considering being able to see where you're going tends to be important - I believe in France you can get a ticket for having no washer fluid.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by carabiner on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:28PM (#29513570)
This is why I love my Tacoma. Here's the 3-minute tutorial on replacing the headlight bulbs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvbZc8shIvQ

Then again, everything else about it is dated, especially the engine.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jonnycomputer on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:56PM (#29513936)
What makes/models do that?
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by mh- on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:24PM (#29514308)
Lots, apparently.

Search r/JustRolledIntoTheShop for "headlights".

Some of the first few matches:

Ford Fusion: https://reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/pw1n0e/t...

Tesla: https://reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/pvyq3u/y...

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jonnycomputer on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:20PM (#29515574)
I just found it surprising, because I've changed lots of bulbs on my own cars, and it was never that hard a job.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jfrunyon on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:57PM (#29514742)
Having to take off the bumper is pretty bad.

On the other hand, taking off a tire takes perhaps a minute.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by arprocter on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:17PM (#29514223)
iirc it happened on a friend's 6th gen Ford Fiesta

I doubt there's a big list somewhere as it isn't something the manufacturers are proud about

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by Der_Einzige on Friday December 10, 2021 @03:56PM (#29515357)
What? Not sure what years are in that generation but my gf owned a 2014 Ford Fiesta (the final generation) and replacing headlights was a 5 minute job. I did it several times...
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by arprocter on Friday December 10, 2021 @05:16PM (#29516114)
Strange - possible I'm misremembering, as this was about a decade ago

I just looked it up and seems like you have to remove the entire headlight from the car, so maybe he took one look at it and decided it could be someone else's problem

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by C19is20 on Friday December 10, 2021 @05:00PM (#29515966)
I have a 2005 FF...never replaced the headlights (gf has a 2007 fusion - similar): and you say 'several times'?
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by xk3 on Friday December 17, 2021 @08:36AM (#29591865)
they probably do it so people don't replace the lamps with the wrong shape bulb which can be very dangerous
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by TchoBeer on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:23PM (#29513514)
Do you recognize that this is subjective? YouTube is way better than TV, imo.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by lgrialn on Friday December 10, 2021 @05:24PM (#29516184)
When I go to youtube, I'm looking for something.

But I will see the front page of crap in my peripheral vision and wonder about the millions of people who click on that garbage. Sometimes I'll even look at the names for a second and think how it's the same few names always, and how crazy that they somehow get all the attention in the world for some nonsense.

For that matter, now I see people use the word "influencer" as if it sounds perfectly respectable to them, and it shocks me every time.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jfrunyon on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:58PM (#29514758)
Honestly... it depends if you have an ad-blocker.

I would prefer TV to Youtube any day, if I had a TV ad-blocker, simply because the content is far more likely to be reasonable quality rather than a 20 minute clickbait video with 30 seconds of actual content.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by Daishiman on Friday December 10, 2021 @03:18PM (#29514984)
Are you sure? When I used to watch Battlebots on Discovery channel it was basically 6 minutes of action wrapped in 10 minutes of fluff and 15 minutes of ads. Discovery Magazine had 3 sections per half-hour; comparatively speaking any science channel in YT will have way more content, and a lot of it really good for specialized audiences. Travel YT are way more up-to-date and useful than TV travel documentaries used to be.

There's a ton of really good Youtube channels, and the level of information density is astounding.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jfrunyon on Saturday December 11, 2021 @11:39PM (#29527198)
I never said all content on TV was good. Similarly, not all content on Youtube is bad. But the most hyped/advertised content on TV tends to be pretty entertaining (and usually fairly accurately advertised), while the most hyped/advertised content on Youtube (i.e. frontpage) is 90% clickbait and 10% people I'm subscribed to.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jacquesm on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:37PM (#29513693)
Maybe being better than TV was a bit of a low bar to shoot for. Youtube has super good stuff but it's like with email: there are very good emails and then there is the spam. But there is no youtube 'spamfilter'. Hm... idea?
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by TchoBeer on Sunday December 12, 2021 @06:40AM (#29528793)
Subscriptions are basically that. A curated feed of only creators you're interested in.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by rosetremiere on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:50PM (#29513861)
Ivan Illich has a similar idea about technology and people becoming slaves to technology instead of the other way around, starting at some "threshold".
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by ploxiln on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:37PM (#29513700)
I think this resonates with your point: https://idlewords.com/talks/web_design_first_100_years.htm

Basically, for the first 50 years, airplane technology advanced at an amazing pace. And people thought it would go on to supersonic aircraft and space travel, and they tried to make that happen, but it just didn't make practical sense, and today we use jumbo jets very similar to what was introduced 50 years ago, and they still work better than the more advanced alternatives.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by Daishiman on Friday December 10, 2021 @03:20PM (#29514998)
The big difference is that the advancements of the past came with an increased energy usage.

We have essentially reached a plateau in terms of energy costs and available energy; sending a rocket to space or making a car go round are limited by fuel consumption. Technological advancements in those areas are now devoted to either fuel efficiency, safety, and rent-seeking.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by rudedogg on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:23PM (#29513515)
> nothing but eye candy

IMO, the real problem is the number of abstractions we've created, not the nice graphical stuff. The tech companies would be wise to start throwing truckloads of money at hiring game engine people and get help with the performance problems we have everywhere.

I'm not denying that things are more complicated now than in the 1990s, (unicode, high DPI displays, etc.), but we've completely abstracted over hardware to where it is no longer a concern of software developers.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by itake on Friday December 10, 2021 @12:49PM (#29513023)
There was definitely spyware and bloatware in the 90s. Remember popups? Or winrar? Remember how illegal copies of windows (that never got security patches) were used in DDOS attacks (and more recently ransomware attacks)?

I agree there is too much eye candy, especially in phones.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by podgaj on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:16PM (#29513407)
What you are seeing here is the natural pro(re)gression of all technology. It only gets worse, it doesn’t get better. They will always be abused by the worst of society.

And then we did new technology to “fix” the old technology. Kind of a ponzi scheme if you ask me.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by gruez on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:21PM (#29513476)
>too much: 2020 OS, nothing but eye candy,

I wish. Clearly you missed the early 2010s, with skeuomorphic/glass design everywhere. I would have preferred that over the flat/featureless designs we have today.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by carabiner on Friday December 10, 2021 @01:11PM (#29513327)
Very selective memory... You've picked the most streamlined from each older generation, and compared it to the noisiest of the current generation. Though driving a car (I'll assume a manual that you can maintain, not an automatic with the monstrous blackbox analog computer) that is a quarter-century old and using a flip phone in 2021 is legit boomer cred. [thumbs up emoji]
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by PaulDavisThe1st on Friday December 10, 2021 @02:13PM (#29514154)
> CPUs [...]

you can pry my 16 core Threadripper and its 64GB of RAM from my cold dead hand.

Some of us use computers for things where more CPU cycles per second and more RAM are always good things.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by jfrunyon on Friday December 10, 2021 @03:00PM (#29514777)
But you don't have more CPU cycles per second. And the software you use takes several times as much resources to let you do... basically all the same things you could do a couple decades ago.
Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by kitsunesoba on Friday December 10, 2021 @04:01PM (#29515411)
I mean, kinda, but for many types of work the volume and quality of what can be handled by even a consumer machine has improved immeasurably. A 13” MacBook Air today is far better at audio/video authoring, 3D, and code compilation among other things than a 90s machine that’s highly specialized at just one of those things. A modern workstation tower is practically an entire room of prohibitively expensive 90s workstations plus a render farm in one box, which is pretty amazing.

Of course there’s some things that modern tech really isn’t better at. Is a Ryzen 5950X RTX 3090 tower any better than a Dell Dimension 4100 running Word 2000 or even a Mac Plus running MacWrite for writing a novel? Probably not, but people aren’t buying top end machines for those tasks, and some stick to their old machines where they can.

Re:Ask HN: What things has tech made worse in your life? by PaulDavisThe1st on Friday December 10, 2021 @03:24PM (#29515040)
I couldn't do physically modelled audio synthesis in real time on ANY processor of that era.

Now I can do a ton of it, though not enough to represent a full orchestra.

And I could not compile 600k lines of C++ in 4 minutes on any processor of that era.

Now I can.

The fact that desktop environments have gotten "heavy" has essentially zero impact on the compute-heavy tasks that are important to me. If I was a video editor (I'm not), the same "progress" would apply there too.