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Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by ineptech on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:51PM (#29502761)
If Chrome can kill uBlock and use its dominance to do user-hostile stuff, and Firefox goes along "in the interest of cross-browser compatibility", then what the hell's the point of Firefox in the first place?
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by pkulak on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:52PM (#29502769)
My assumption is that Firefox will be implementing the standard, but not the restrictions. Am I wrong there?
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by mkl on Thursday December 09, 2021 @05:26PM (#29503837)
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by iggldiggl on Friday December 10, 2021 @07:01AM (#29508900)
There are some rumblings as to whether background pages will or will not be removed in Firefox, too, though…
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by amelius on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:55PM (#29502810)
Firefox also implemented DRM.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by pkulak on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:59PM (#29502861)
I needed them to do that so I could watch Netflix. Debate it all you want, but it made my life measurably better and I'm glad they did it. This would only negatively effect me (and everyone else).
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Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by handrous on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:33PM (#29503239)
> other people's fake and perfect and amazing lives

Uh, if that's what we're supposed to be using movie and TV streaming services for, I've been watching precisely the wrong things.

Seems more like a description of social media & (not unrelatedly) advertising. Or maybe porn.

Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by contravariant on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:36PM (#29503265)
You can tell this argument is flawed because it applies to all forms of video.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by danuker on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @04:14AM (#29563644)
It does apply to all forms of video. But that does not make it flawed. What makes it flawed is the cultural norm of watching video.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by Spivak on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:26PM (#29503159)
Because some people don’t find digital DVD rentals to be an affront to their freedom and just want to watch Squidgame?
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by tomjen3 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:40PM (#29503314)
That would be Insta, not Netflix where you are watching interesting/awesome stories.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by ok_dad on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:15PM (#29503036)
DRM doesn't limit anything for the user except for some video content. The day DRM prevents doing things to requests and such, like Manifext v3 does, then I will care. Right now, I'm happy to be able to watch One Punch Man on my laptop.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by kreetx on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:59PM (#29502855)
I'd guess even if Firefox did keep extensions unrestricted then slowly they would die away - given how much smaller the user base will be. We need some new power to emerge in this space.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by bee_rider on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:42PM (#29503332)
If Firefox keeps full extension capability, as a superset of Chrome's gimped implementation, then extension developers can decide how they want to handle the incompatibility.

I don't really get how the extension ecosystem works anyway -- extension developers are usually just sharing something they use to be helpful/make a point, and then some tack on donations thing, right? Since nobody is doing this to get rich I suspect they won't chase marketshare.

Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by danuker on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:05PM (#29502922)
I believe they would gain users from Chrome, where you won't be able to block ads anymore.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by dariusj18 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:34PM (#29503252)
I would certainly stop using Chrome
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by skinkestek on Thursday December 09, 2021 @05:06PM (#29503626)
Just do it today :-)

I often have a month or more long streak between every time I have to use Ch#%!e ;-)

Bonus point for devs: If it works in Firefox it usually works everywhere since Firefox had always been reasonably standard compliant.

Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by ddingus on Thursday December 09, 2021 @09:16PM (#29505697)
Right. I really need to finish my move off chrome. I get started, and then...

Thanks for saying this.

Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by NewEntryHN on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:42PM (#29503339)
There is surely a bias between users of extensions of uBlock Origin and users of Firefox. The userbase is still smaller, but maybe not enough to completely throw away development.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by prox on Thursday December 09, 2021 @03:55PM (#29502814)
I really hope so. Any good sources to find out Mozilla’s stance?
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by mirashii on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:19PM (#29503084)
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-updat...

> We will support blocking webRequest until there’s a better solution which covers all use cases we consider important, since DNR as currently implemented by Chrome does not yet meet the needs of extension developers.

Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by tentacleuno on Thursday December 09, 2021 @05:18PM (#29503751)
It would certainly be interesting they implemented blocking webRequest (just to keep compatibility with Chrome) and then added a Firefox-specific API for blocking web requests.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by matheusmoreira on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:45PM (#29503374)
They should probably just special case uBlock Origin at this point. It's too important an extension to allow it to be limited.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by josefx on Thursday December 09, 2021 @05:38PM (#29504002)
Are you sure you don't want to hard code the original "uBlock" instead of the "Origin" fork while you are at it? It already had a perfectly fine hostile takeover in the past, no need to wait for a new one.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by tomjen3 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:39PM (#29503306)
If they do that, it will be forked.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by NewEntryHN on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:48PM (#29503404)
Firefox has already been forked multiple times because of decisions from Mozilla, see [Pale Moon](https://www.palemoon.org/) or [Waterfox](https://www.waterfox.net/). Few people use those forks, for the simple reason that what has been removed from Firefox is not game-changing enough to mandate an exodus. However I agree that removing support for uBlock Origin will surely be another story.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by skinkestek on Thursday December 09, 2021 @05:13PM (#29503695)
> Few people use those forks, for the simple reason that what has been removed from Firefox is not game-changing enough to mandate an exodus.

This is not the reason for me at least to not use it as my main browser.

I recently tested and the speed is good and it is absolutely wonderful to have true full fledged extensions and complete themes.

My reason is that I'm worried if their security is good enough. If we could somehow be sure about that I'd actually happily leave modern Firefox behind for it.

Personally I'm hoping for someone to create a patch set and bulld binaries based on it to re-enable the old stuff, not by letting extensions muck around in the internals but by providing defined extensions points like:

- enable / disable tab bar

- provide your own tab rendering code

- etc

Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by Nuzzerino on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:53PM (#29503453)
Just wanted to leave a reminder here that low user count does not necessarily imply low utility. The goal of a fork isn't to become the next monopoly.
Re:Chrome users beware: Manifest v3 is deceitful and threate... by ynth7 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:06PM (#29502933)
I think you mean “what open web?”

Back to IRC DCC style sharing and distributed computing with VPN

No need to follow the money to do interesting engineering and computing. Interesting is subjective and wrapping a white paper in the cruft to host it as a service in the cloud isn’t interesting engineering

Part of me wonders if the chip shortage is real or just a way to hide big corp hoovering them up for DC hosted services.