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Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by therockspush on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:03AM (#29456352)
Whats the price difference here? Doesn't seem worth the effort of hitting up a dealer unless you're picking up a couple other party platters.
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by oceanghost on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:44AM (#29456572)
I don't smoke weed, (not for moral reasons, I just hate it), but the incentive structures are really weird.

My read on the situation is... Government wants to tax the weed and ensure its safe. So there are a ton of regulations which require you to do a lot of extra work and are expensive.

That, along with the taxes creates a huge price differential between legal and illegal weed.

I thought it was all about taxes at first, but I've come to understand that illegal growers often use toxic pesticides that further increase yield-- and thus it is important to know where your weed comes from.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by ProfessorLayton on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:58AM (#29456986)
>but I've come to understand that illegal growers often use toxic pesticides that further increase yield-- and thus it is important to know where your weed comes from.

A lot of illegal weed is from the same supply chain as the legal stuff, but unreported, similar to bootleg products that are sourced from the same factories as the authentic stuff.

I do agree that it's a problem not knowing where it came from, but it seems that legal weed has really raised the bar, and the street has to compete at some level. I've heard street weed is a lot higher quality now than pre-legal weed.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by Thorrez on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:09AM (#29456715)
Will the action the article describes, removing the 1%-5% tax, help much? It sounds like the other price advantages of illegal businesses will remain. Maybe removing this tax will reduce some paperwork?

The illegal businesses are probably still evading personal income tax, payroll tax, corporate income tax, sales tax. In addition to the pesticide stuff you mention.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by oceanghost on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:16AM (#29456745)
I cannot speak from any position of authority-- but I don't think even 5% would be a major reduction in price-- but its likely the only thing the city of SF can alter. My feeling is illegal weed is at least half the price of the legal stuff.

The rest is state regulations. The laws are as onerous as having to tag and register each plant, what happened to it, their weight at harvest, and sometimes genetic testing of those plants.

The idea is to create a paper trail such that illegally grown weed can't be laundered into being legal-- but my god is it a MESS.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by jjulius on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:07AM (#29456699)
>I thought it was all about taxes at first, but I've come to understand that illegal growers often use toxic pesticides that further increase yield-- and thus it is important to know where your weed comes from.

I've always preferred to pay the higher prices for this reason, and the fact that I know exactly how potent something is.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by oceanghost on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:44AM (#29456921)
To say nothing of fentanyl. I'd like to remind you also that paying higher prices for something is a privilege of our class.

So I'm going to work blue here for a bit...

Regarding contamination and unsafe drugs-- my best friend and I had a tradition. Once a year around the end of the year, we'd get a couple grams of cocaine and go to someplace fantastic like the Queen Mary, or Disneyland, or the Long Beach Aquarium, The San Diego Zoo, etc. We called this tradition "Merry Cokemass". We had an agreement to never do any drugs outside of these appointed 24 hours.

Anyways, we have both decided that this just isn't safe anymore.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by agumonkey on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:26AM (#29460844)
govt should think different.. ask for smart people to fight to make the bestest safest process and product, then distribute over the nation and forget it (it's safe, it's cheap, it's smart. end of story)
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by pjbeam on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:34AM (#29456513)
Dealers are more likely to make house calls?
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by colechristensen on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:43AM (#29456565)
I don’t know, when I lived in Mountain View I could get (legal) cannabis delivered faster than pizza.
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by tschwimmer on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:12PM (#29468014)
This is not as big of an endorsement as you might think. I live in the Peninsula and I once ordered pizza from one of the big chains and it came at perfect room temperature after like an hour. I called the place to complain and they said they would refund me if I was willing to give the pizza back (!). Sure enough, about 45 minutes later a pizza guy came around and I tendered the pizza (minus a single bite) back to him.

Not the most sterling benchmark.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by adolph on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:36AM (#29461004)
In pizza's defense it isn't often delivered in a "bake at home" state.
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by Stratoscope on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:55AM (#29456618)
Plenty of legitimate cannabis dispensaries have home delivery too.
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by lc3sim on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:09AM (#29456709)
You, along with probably most of hacker news, probably just won't understand - unless you connect with the culture.

To help explain it...

I find what I need from friends and neighbors. I have built a system of trust that operates outside of the typical capitalistic reality that the rest of society runs on. Sometimes it means knowing where stuff was grown and who grew it. Sometimes the trust is more blind - it depends on the situation. Since cannabis is an organic compound (I only consume flower, not oil or edibles) I find it easy to "verify" that I am getting a legitimate product.

I don't mean to brag, but I have a situation where I mostly get it for free. It is all love, and to have people share the love makes it all the more special.

Another way to think of it like a CSA - would you want organic produce directly from the farm, or from Whole Foods?

I hope this helps, at the very least, humanizes the other side a little bit.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by soared on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:18AM (#29456764)
This comment feels like art. Either it’s a troll that’s not that good, or it’s a genuine comment so far off in lala land that it’s a privilege to read.
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by Talanes on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:23AM (#29456797)
Nothing about that comment seems THAT unusual. Honestly, I'm spending more time sitting here trying to understand where you're coming from than I am with them. What elements of their comment struck you as trolling?
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by zdragnar on Monday December 06, 2021 @02:56AM (#29457303)
The bits about "you dont understand unless you connect with the culture" and "its all love" read to me like stereotypes straight from the 60's.

That kind of thing is an extreme minority in most places- weed culture is no less mercantile than any other. The la la stuff exists, to be sure, but so does my neighbor offering to share veggies from their garden. Either way, I don't think it's got much bearing on the illegal drug trade, or the crippled legal trade as the volume is just two completely different scales.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by nicoburns on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:53AM (#29458196)
> The la la stuff exists, to be sure, but so does my neighbour offering to share veggies from their garden.

In my experience there's quite a bit of overlap between the kind of people who like to smoke weed and the kind of people who like to grow their own vegetables and sell them from their garden. Perhaps less so in cities. I think this is one of those stereotypes that has quite a bit of truth to it.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by zdragnar on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:38AM (#29460206)
There certainly is, but they aren't doing volume. Farmers and grocery stores (to stick with the analogy) are doing the volume work here, so as matters of policy, it just doesn't add much.
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by lc3sim on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:47AM (#29456934)
It is a very foreign concept to many people, I understand where they are coming from.

For example, my mom loves Whole Foods and would not prefer a CSA. There is comfort in the standard quality that McDonalds has to offer. Marketing labels and branding have become commonplace and widely celebrated amongst consumers.

To ask for these luxuries to be stripped away is preposterous to most people. “Your weed isn’t lab tested - but you could be killed!”

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by ahartmetz on Monday December 06, 2021 @02:47AM (#29457243)
I guess some new Californians don't know much about what happened there about 45 years ago.
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by dbavaria on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:41AM (#29456554)
Perhaps it's more about supporting your local small business?
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by carabiner on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:24AM (#29456471)
It's in the article.
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by kelnos on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:27AM (#29456483)
Right, 1%-5%. But I don't think I'd care to deal with illegal product and any possible (even if unlikely) headaches around it just to save $1-$5 for every $100 spent. Seems kinda foolish.

But yeah, I suppose if you're also picking up some illegal stuff, makes sense to make it a one-stop shopping trip.

Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by Talanes on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:29AM (#29456826)
People buying from dealers aren't considering the illegality in the choice at all, though. They're a choice between continuing to buy from someone they know vs entering a storefront that is going to make them provide a bunch of PII on the first visit, which also costs more.
Re:SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete wit... by kafkaIncarnate on Monday December 06, 2021 @03:06AM (#29457353)
For me the price was worth it to make "the person I know" become a "person I no longer knew".