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Re:I resigned from Twitter by blocked_again on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:05PM (#29384526)
> FWIW, you've also championed transparency and decentralization for your platform more than any other SV social media titan

Twitter don't even have an RSS feed let alone championing decentralisation.

Re:I resigned from Twitter by riffic on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:32PM (#29384870)
http://cdevroe.com/2021/10/26/bluesky-status/

love this bit:

"The truth is that Twitter could become decentralized almost overnight by simply adding some JSON-LD serializers, an inbox endpoint and maybe tweaking their storage schema slightly to become part of the fediverse – anyone who wouldn’t want to use twitter.com could follow twitter.com users from their own server and so on. That does not require 2 years of making people who don’t work for you talk to each other."

Re:I resigned from Twitter by aerosmile on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:58PM (#29386437)
The truth is that someone's gotta pay the bills. Pleasing the crowd by giving the content away is easy; finding a way to pay the bills while upsetting the least amount of people who are strategically important for the next month's bills is the hard part.

We can speculate why Jack left, but the lagging stock price certainly didn't help him. So if anything, rather than criticizing him for not giving away the content for free, it seems the guy should have done more of the opposite (to prevent someone else taking his job who will do all that and then some).

Re:I resigned from Twitter by jessaustin on Monday November 29, 2021 @10:28PM (#29388618)
The truth is that someone's gotta pay the bills. Pleasing the crowd by giving the content away is easy; finding a way to pay the bills while upsetting the least amount of people who are strategically important for the next month's bills is the hard part.

Twitter never "paid the bills" under his leadership. That's what added insult to the injury of removing previous open functionality: they pissed everybody off and didn't even make money as a result. A better idea has been obvious for more than a decade.

Twitter is most valuable to the "influencers" who have lots of monetizable followers, e.g. the various Kardashians with their beauty tips. Therefore, those influencers should be charged for the value that Twitter represents to them. They would gladly pay a percentage of the fees they receive for marketing the various products they recommend, for a Twitter experience that made that marketing more effective. It's hard to imagine why Twitter executives have missed this.

Re:I resigned from Twitter by riffic on Monday November 29, 2021 @10:33PM (#29388648)
holy crap, yes, this is exactly how Twitter can monetize decentralization.

Charge the kardashian clan x amount of dollars to run a managed version of Twitter's software on kardashian.com and allow for full interoperability with other services that speak a common protocol (the w3c has a protocol. use it!)

you can also have governments and other institutional actors running the hosted software (then you can have @[email protected] and @[email protected] and @[email protected] and @[email protected] and @[email protected]) these all can operate as white-labeled instances of the managed Twitter service (basically, how Google Apps worked but with Twitter's software).

Re:I resigned from Twitter by eclipxe on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @12:41AM (#29389324)
Yeah, this won't work.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by akhosravian on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @03:51AM (#29390228)
Parent post reads as very sarcastic to me
Re:I resigned from Twitter by riffic on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @03:20PM (#29396972)
unfortunately, I'm making a serious pitch.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by FormerBandmate on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @05:32PM (#29410029)
That would probably only be used by [email protected], and also make them substantially less able to target ads if adopted
Re:I resigned from Twitter by dmonitor on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @03:35PM (#29397130)
Are you just reinventing email?
Re:I resigned from Twitter by montroser on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @07:03AM (#29402920)
Email is not public
Re:I resigned from Twitter by Nextgrid on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @04:27AM (#29390418)
You could just have a rule that any commercial content requires a pro account. Casual users can use the product for free, but those who wish to use the platform for business purposes need to pay a monthly account fee.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by csallen on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @12:27AM (#29389251)
I think you have it backwards, or at least you're missing half of the equation. The influencers are also valuable to Twitter, not just the other way around.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by eins1234 on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @02:31AM (#29389828)
Exactly this. Also, AFAIK most large content sponsorship deals take place off the platform between independent business entities. Most sponsored content on YouTube works like this, and YouTube doesn't get a single cent from most of those deals, only a share of video ads revenue. How Twitter can do any better here remains to be seen, and ceding control of the client certainly won't make it any easier.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by jessaustin on Wednesday December 01, 2021 @07:07PM (#29410832)
This is basic network effect. All sorts of social media platforms have monetized their users. Twitter hasn't really tried.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by nradov on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @12:10AM (#29389180)
Would the influencers actually pay, or just move to TikTok and Instagram?
Re:I resigned from Twitter by riffic on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @01:07AM (#29389444)
it's less about where the influencers move to and more about where the audience moves to (they're the ones that view ads).

Everyone knows that audiences can go anywhere (every time there's been a huge technological shift they've made the jump - Radio -> Television. Newspapers -> Twitter et cetera). Influencers go where the engagement is. What I'm trying to say is pay attention to where the audience is at.

Re:I resigned from Twitter by gojomo on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:31PM (#29386142)
Indeed. If Dorsey wanted Twitter to be "open", he'd open it. Instead he's closed it & started a sideshow to further distract those who could create credible challenges to Twitter.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by standardly on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:51PM (#29386343)
Did anyone tell them? Maybe they just didn't know how
Re:I resigned from Twitter by smsm42 on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:37PM (#29385611)
They are actively making even access to individual tweets very cumbersome to people without logins. I guess maybe compared to something like facebook where you are completely blocked without login it's ok, but "almost inaccessible" is only a small step ahead of "completely inaccessible" - that's hardly championing anything, let alone "decentralization" which Twitter is actively hostile to.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by Goety on Monday November 29, 2021 @06:10PM (#29386560)
This is one thing that has bothered me with recent twitter.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by katbyte on Monday November 29, 2021 @08:27PM (#29387661)
I just stopped clicking on Twitter links
Re:I resigned from Twitter by boogies on Monday November 29, 2021 @08:52PM (#29387850)
I just installed https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-redir... to automatically fix them, and I manually s/twitter.com/nitter.*/ on non-FF browsers.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Monday November 29, 2021 @07:47PM (#29387400)
nitter.net to the rescue
Re:I resigned from Twitter by teitoklien on Monday November 29, 2021 @08:17PM (#29387593)
But for how long ?
Re:I resigned from Twitter by 3np on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @12:06AM (#29389160)
It's easy enough to self-host. You could always route it through a VPN/Tor/I2P if you care about anonymity.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by teitoklien on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @03:33AM (#29390129)
That’s not what i meant, I meant nitter is only going to work for as long as twitter doesnt start actively putting resources to prevent nitter from scraping
Re:I resigned from Twitter by JohnHaugeland on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @11:55AM (#29394244)
Re:I resigned from Twitter by whyrusleeping on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:31PM (#29384865)
I assume you havent seen https://twitter.com/bluesky ?
Re:I resigned from Twitter by riffic on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:32PM (#29384880)
bah - bluesky is not going anywhere. this "project" deserves scorn, derision, and cynicism until the board of directors shut it down for being a waste of time.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by madeofpalk on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:47PM (#29386318)
Software ships.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by Kinrany on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:49PM (#29385083)
They at least talk about decentralization. This definitely qualifies as more than any other comparably large social media.
Re:I resigned from Twitter by rcMgD2BwE72F on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:18PM (#29385404)
I'm not so sure. The illusion of action could be worse than indifference. Who would build a service/standard that Twitter could make obsolete/outmoded in one day, with potentially billions of $ against it?
Re:I resigned from Twitter by serf on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:21PM (#29386038)
>I'm not so sure. The illusion of action could be worse than indifference.

absolutely right. the concept of 'squatting' on an idea so that it remains untouched in the market is an obvious strategy and likely used by many large groups.

Re:I resigned from Twitter by Kinrany on Monday November 29, 2021 @07:15PM (#29387140)
We have the technology but most people don't care about decentralization. Even paying lip service helps as an admission that decentralization is good for users.