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Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by willis936 on Saturday November 13, 2021 @11:15PM (#29215313)
GPS is trivial to jam. Any exotic IMU has huge defense implications. Being able to miniaturize it would be a big deal.
Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by baq on Sunday November 14, 2021 @06:03AM (#29216545)
Civilian GPS. Milspec encrypted FHSS or whatever are they using not so much unless you flood the whole spectrum.
Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday November 14, 2021 @09:10AM (#29217240)
"The whole spectrum" for GPS FHSS being a relatively tiny frequency range. So still trivial to jam.

There are physical restrictions on transmitter aerials which make really wide FHSS impossibly difficult. Especially from a satellite. So GPS still transmits on the same standard 5 frequencies, with some special codings.

The antijamming features work a little differently. If you know a random code sequence you can use various digital noise reduction techniques to improve the SNR and help punch a signal through noise.

But if you blanket blast the transmitter frequencies and their associated components with noise, you're still going to have an effective jammer. It will just have a smaller effective range.

Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by sbierwagen on Sunday November 14, 2021 @11:33PM (#29223724)
In the military context, violence is an option. Powerful radio transmitters are vulnerable to anti-radiation missiles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-radiation_missile In a free fire zone a GPS jammer would have a lifespan measured in minutes. A hypothetical conflict with a near-peer would involve a lot of jam and counter-jam drones destroying each other, until both sides run out of equipment.

A more interesting attack would be jamming the M code and then spoofing the data on the civilian band, which is one hypothesis for what happened to the RQ-170 that Iran soft-ish landed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incid...

Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by sennight on Sunday November 14, 2021 @03:37AM (#29216082)
> GPS is trivial to jam.

Not as trivial as jamming detection and countermeasures, so simple that it has found its way into base model commercial components. If you are in the air: use directional antennas - why are you listening to the ground? If you are on the ground: you get an easy 30deg arc pointing to the hostile transmitter... put a building or terrain between it and you.

Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by ansgri on Sunday November 14, 2021 @02:55AM (#29215979)
I thought so for a long time, but then learned about spread-spectrum and frequency-hopping (with cryptographically randomized pattern) radio communication techniques which are employed in military-grade communications, and suddenly reliably jamming GPS without jamming literally everything becomes very hard.
Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by vbezhenar on Sunday November 14, 2021 @04:31AM (#29216244)
I'm literally experiencing GPS jamming when I'm driving my car near president palace. Like one second I'm moving on road and next second I'm jumping to random places few hundred meters away until I passed long enough. Navigator sometimes goes crazy because of that. So at least civilian GPS is possible to jam.
Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by pfortuny on Sunday November 14, 2021 @04:43AM (#29216281)
Well the US Govt is the “owner” of the protocol, they must be able to dos something about it.
Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by ac29 on Sunday November 14, 2021 @11:21AM (#29218108)
The US doesnt have a presidential palace, so this must be in a foreign country. There isnt really anything the US can do for localized jamming in a foreign country.
Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by jvanderbot on Sunday November 14, 2021 @03:07AM (#29216010)
That's great for radios, but I wasn't aware GPS satellites employed this technology in their transmitted beacons.
Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by Johnythree on Sunday November 14, 2021 @03:38AM (#29216086)
GPS does use Spread Spectrum for its navigation beacons.
Re:Vaccum-chamber quantum sensor device could allow GPS-free... by willis936 on Sunday November 14, 2021 @07:24AM (#29216806)
SSC does next to nothing for jamming. It changes the band by a negligible amount.