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Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by baby on Thursday November 11, 2021 @04:33PM (#29193475)
Even if the train adds a few hours, I'll choose that option over flying any time. With a train you just go to the train station, board and sit in your comfortable chair with a nice desk to work on. Everything is stable, and so quiet you can even sleep. If you take a plane it's just maximum stress and discomfort. Waiting in line to check in, waiting in line to go through the security gates, waiting in line to board, waiting for the plane to take off, waiting for the plane to dock, waiting for luggage, etc.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by peoplefromibiza on Thursday November 11, 2021 @06:47PM (#29194755)
spot on.

I am from Italy that geographically is not very easy to connect to the rest of Europe because of the Alps.

Still, below a thousand kms train beats flight 100% of the time!

I travel a lot throughput Europe to meet my special other who travels a lot due to her job.

I used to fly to meet her but , pandemic aside, I discovered that traveling by train was a much better option, mainly because you're on the ground and everything works almost like you're not moving at all.

internet connection is hit and miss of course, but compared to the very tight seats on a plane with no internet at all, it seems like a moving office.

Truth is I rarely work on a train, I mainly read, but having the option and the opportunity to book a solitary seat it's such a luxury that I gladly pay the extra money.

Other benefits include: no baggage limit, no early show up routine for no reason, no security or "show your face" checks, no packed up load-in load-out lines, being able to walk away if you need to (a phone call, for example) or because you simply need to stretch a little bit, but my favourite one is night trains where you book a bunk bed, sleep and wake up at the destination. A friend of mine calls it teleportation, you are not traveling between two places, you are waking up in a new place, far from the starting point, without even noticing it.

Trains are a great way to move, especially now that they are so fast.

They aren't cheap in general, that's true, but it's worth it, especially if you compare train fares with low cost offers that are undoubtedly cheaper, but don't even include a real baggage or the option to chose your seat for free (had to pay 6 euros for a seat just two days ago flying from Barcelona)

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by theaeolist on Thursday November 11, 2021 @08:20PM (#29195318)
There is one aspect where flying beats trains: checking luggage. If you have big suitcases it's a PITA to get them on and off the train. And changing trains means taking the bags with you, unlike flights where bags are (usually) transferred.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by lmm on Thursday November 11, 2021 @10:05PM (#29195926)
I disagree; taking whatever bags you like and having access to them through the whole journey is much, much nicer than having to hand them over and hope they arrive in the right place, and potentially paying extra or even having to book ahead if you've got anything other than a standard suitcase.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by OneTimePetes on Friday November 12, 2021 @05:01AM (#29197788)
Specially love those tourist traps, who "loose" your bags so they can sell you cloths and "find" it, upon your return trip.

You were the local shopping stimulus all along.

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by garmaine on Thursday November 11, 2021 @10:46PM (#29196135)
Well, that’s European airlines which have the worst customer service. In most of the rest of the world luggage is never a problem.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by EdwardDiego on Friday November 12, 2021 @04:06AM (#29197477)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

(It's a song called United Breaks Guitars that you may remember from over a decade ago).

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by baby on Friday November 12, 2021 @01:38AM (#29196860)
What? In the US you have to pay for your checkin luggage.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by garmaine on Friday November 12, 2021 @04:05AM (#29197469)
Not typically for international flights, and even for some US domestic carriers. Same goes for most of the rest of the world (e.g. Asia) which is what I was actually thinking about. Brazil has free luggage mandated in law.

Even when you do have to pay in the US it is typically very generous. Larger size and weight allowance, and you won’t get dinged for being even a few kilos over. And the bottom tier of frequent flyer programs (which is usually trivial to get and keep) waives all these fees anyway. I can’t remember the last time I paid for luggage allowance outside of a trip to or through Europe.

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by ornornor on Friday November 12, 2021 @01:47AM (#29196899)
I wish that service was more widespread. The Swiss SBB will pick up your luggage at your door before your trip and deliver it at your destinations door afterwards. For a few of course, but still.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by baby on Thursday November 11, 2021 @09:46PM (#29195814)
I had that issue last time and I used a service to send my luggage to the destination. They came to pick it up at my place and delivered it to my other place.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by OneTimePetes on Friday November 12, 2021 @05:00AM (#29197780)
Wish there was a hack for this.. like selling them to yourselves with same day delivery on amazon.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by sokoloff on Thursday November 11, 2021 @07:50PM (#29195138)
> compared to the very tight seats on a plane with no internet at all

I can't remember the last airliner that I was on that didn't have WiFi. Is WiFi uncommon in Europe?

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by wsc981 on Thursday November 11, 2021 @11:55PM (#29196416)
I haven't had Wifi in any of my flights between Thailand and Amsterdam (KLM). Maybe I've always had older planes on this route or something. I haven't flown between any other 2 destinations for the last couple of years.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by karthikb on Friday November 12, 2021 @01:25AM (#29196795)
It really depends on the airline, but it's fairly common to put newer aircraft with WiFi on more business-heavy routes, and put the older aircraft on more tourist-heavy routes where passengers are more cost conscious and probably won't pay for the WiFi or other amenities either.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by GekkePrutser on Friday November 12, 2021 @04:21AM (#29197553)
Yes it's because there's no pan-european ground network yet so airlines are limited to expensive and slow satellite internet.

However this is coming soon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Aviation_Network

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by baby on Thursday November 11, 2021 @09:47PM (#29195819)
I think it’s starting to become a thing, but even in the US the last time I tried it just wasn’t working.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by dagw on Friday November 12, 2021 @04:14AM (#29197516)
Is WiFi uncommon in Europe?

It's pretty rare, and when they do have it it is incredibly expensive, limited or both. On trains they basically always have it and it's free.

(with the caveat that it's been 2+ years since I was on a plane so I don't know how things have changed)

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by dTal on Saturday November 13, 2021 @10:02AM (#29210199)
Also worth noting that cell phones work normally on trains, what with them being on the ground, so you're not even at the mercy of the operator - you can just use your normal service.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by pjmlp on Friday November 12, 2021 @01:28AM (#29196800)
That is the dream, the reality given the way DB allows for overcrowded ICE trains, is fighting to get the booked place, not being able to move anywhere, noise depends pretty much the neighbours, and if it eventually becomes easy enough to manage to go to the wagon bar, it is a matter of luck if they are there at all.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by belorn on Friday November 12, 2021 @05:46AM (#29197993)
> Everything is stable, and so quiet you can even sleep

That depend on the quality of the rail and train. I have had nice experience in Germany, but here in Sweden it is the opposite. The side-to-side movement triggers motion sickness that is only compare to really rough ocean trips, and while the noise is lower than on a plane it is also less regular and higher pitch so it can be quite hard to ignore.

The problems stems from rails and trains here being 30-50 years old and long history of poor maintenance. To make matters worse, almost no lines has redundant tracks so if there is a problem (which there often is because to the issue of maintenance), the train get replace with busses. Night trains in particular tend to have a rather terrible experience with trains that are by now around 50-70 years old. Because of the motion sickness, the handful times I tried it has resulted in me basically being sick for a full day afterward. This doesn't occur if I take a plane or drive.

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by kwhitefoot on Friday November 12, 2021 @02:37AM (#29197136)
For all those saying that there are no security checks on trains: perhaps you have never been on the Spanish Alta Velocidad from Zaragossa to Barcelona. When I took that some years ago my luggage had to go through an X-ray machine and I had to go through a metal detector.

I don't know if they still do that but it is certainly something that could be instituted if governments wanted it.

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by dredmorbius on Friday November 12, 2021 @04:16AM (#29197533)
There is of course some history and justification for that.

2004 Madrid Train Bombings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by EdwardDiego on Friday November 12, 2021 @04:08AM (#29197483)
I had to go through security and customs getting onto the Eurostar in London, but that makes sense considering they weren't part of Schengen.
Re:How trains could replace planes in Europe by hulitu on Friday November 12, 2021 @02:17AM (#29197040)
If you don't have luggage. Modern trains have cutted costs with luggage space.