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Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @01:48PM (#29050785)
Well, number one, why would they? Apple makes money by getting consumers and locking them into their unicorns and rainbows ecosystem where everything is perfect which makes consumers comfortable spending boat loads of money, not by selling commodity hardware.

Ecosystems with great UX and paid subscriptions plus a 30% cut on all transactions are far more profitable than the margins you make selling commodity hardware. Just ask famous phone manufacturers like Siemens, Nokia and Blackberry why that is. That's why SW dev salaries are much higher than HW dev salaries as the former generates way more revenue than the latter. That's why Apple doesn't roll out their own cloud datacenters and instead just gets Amazon, Microsoft and Google to compete against each other on pricing.

Apple only rolls out their solutions when they have an impact on the final UX, like designing their own M1 silicon.

And number two, selling chips comes with a lot of hassle like providing support to your partners like Intel and AMD do. Pretty sure they don't want to bother with that.

Before they start selling chips I would rather they open iMessage to other platforms to eliminate the bubble color discrimination.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by rafamaddd on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:00PM (#29051400)
> Before they start selling chips I would rather they open iMessage to other platforms to eliminate the bubble color discrimination.

Outside of the countries where iOS is on par with Android (I think US, Canada and UK are the only ones, maybe also Australia) in terms of popularity, I don't know or have seen a single person using iMessage, of course there's a lot people using iphone outside of the mentioned countries, but absolutely nobody uses iMessage.

The whole discrimination of the color bubble seems to only happen in those countries were iOS is the same or more popular than android and people is actually using iMessage.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by InvaderFizz on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:43PM (#29051746)
It's worse than that in the US. While iOS is a bit over 50%, it's closing in on 90% for teens[0], where such discrimination is most likely to occur. These numbers also bode well for Apple's future market share as these teens grow into adults.

0: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-i-phone-ownership-among...

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @04:03PM (#29051885)
It's getting similar in Europe for teens. I rarely see them on public transport with anything other than an iPhone.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by pjmlp on Sunday October 31, 2021 @04:10AM (#29055339)
Go to southern countries or eastern Europe, plenty of teens with Android.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by grishka on Saturday October 30, 2021 @07:54PM (#29053261)
In Russia, people stopped sending each other SMS before smartphones even became mainstream. At the time they were becoming mainstream, ICQ was the instant messaging service to use, and of course there was an unofficial ICQ client for just about anything that had a screen, a keyboard, and a network interface. Also VKontakte, but that was easily accessible via Opera Mini.

Right now 99.9% of those Russians who use the internet can be reached via either VKontakte or Telegram. WhatsApp is also popular, but thankfully not around me so I was able to delete my account and never look back.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by rimliu on Saturday October 30, 2021 @05:48PM (#29052563)
> but absolutely nobody uses iMessage

Uhm, iMessage works transparently. I just use Messages app, if my recipient uses iPhone it get an iMessage, if they use something else, they get SMS.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by mcintyre1994 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @06:18PM (#29052726)
Their point is that most people don’t use the Messages app to communicate with others. In the UK for example WhatsApp is massively dominant.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by poetaster on Sunday October 31, 2021 @04:41PM (#29060214)
Ditto. I'm the leper who prefers to not use whatsapp and only get away with it since my partner takes up the slack, so to speak.. Last weekend she and i where bemused by the inability of our 100% APPLE hosts to: 1. Use airprint (worked from my linux phone!!!) 2. Share a file with linux or android (mp3 for a ringtone) 3. Install a ringtone. Breathtaking. I still have my classic. And si. I have more proprietary apple software on diskettes than most geeks I know. But apple tanked long ago. And hardware is cheap. And foss is fun.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by lrem on Sunday October 31, 2021 @05:41AM (#29055763)
I see people using iMessage in a country where iPhone has a whopping 7% market share. And yes,
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by tinus_hn on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:25PM (#29051588)
> Before they start selling chips I would rather they open iMessage to other platforms to eliminate the bubble color discrimination

It’s probably easier to just move to one of the 99% of countries where nobody uses iMessage.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:33PM (#29051652)
I already do, in Europe, where everyone and their mom uses Facebook's WhatsApp for everything. While that evens the playing field, I'm not sure I'd call trading a walled garden for a spyware one a massive victory though.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by tinus_hn on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:35PM (#29051679)
So who cares that a network nobody uses exists where only people that have an Apple device can login?
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:39PM (#29051713)
Apparently teens and even some adults in the US where they'll miss out on social activities or be mocked or ignored due to not being on iMessage.

That doesn't affect me though as i don't live in the US and am too old for that kind of stuff but I do remember how easy it was to be mocked or bullied as a teen for not having the same stuff as the herd, even before smartphones were a thing.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by tinus_hn on Sunday October 31, 2021 @05:08AM (#29055618)
How do you know if this is really a thing and not just some dramatic story of the week in the media?
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by cma on Sunday October 31, 2021 @12:03PM (#29057939)
It s big in the startup world too, lots of funding happened on iOS-exclusive "Clubhouse.". Black people use Android more, so it is partially back to the old racially exclusive Country Club system.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by tinus_hn on Sunday October 31, 2021 @01:50PM (#29058810)
However, that has nothing to do with iMessage being exclusive to Apple devices.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by IgorPartola on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:50PM (#29051303)
I agree with you right up to how exactly does the M1 chip affect the final UX? A different keyboard, screen, touchpad, etc. all make a difference but why does the chip make a difference?
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:57PM (#29051362)
>how exactly does the M1 chip affect the final UX?

Everything runs faster, cooler, quieter and battery lasts longer. Is that not part of the product UX?

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by IgorPartola on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:11PM (#29051487)
That makes it sound like Intel, AMD, ARM, etc. we’re trying to build chips that run hotter and less efficiently.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by bzzzt on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:33PM (#29051660)
Seems like Intel really lost the plan there with every new generation having just a few percent better performance, trouble with moving to smaller nodes and the enormous regression from spectre/meltdown.

The Apple chips are made for running macOS/iOS. Seems there are some hardware instructions that are tailor made for increasing the performance of Apple software so they can make sure everything is working toward a common goal.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by neogodless on Saturday October 30, 2021 @07:51PM (#29053241)
Not really

They are trying to compete, and have different levers to pull with varying success. When the performance per clock or per watt levers don't work well enough, then they increase the power, and the end result is heat and inefficiency.

On the flip side, integrated solutions add another lever... writing hardware that does exactly what your software needs to improve the user experience.

AMD, ARM, and even Intel have some cool, efficient solutions, but not across their whole portfolio of products, and not at the higher ends of performance. But they are always competing, incrementing and working to get closer to that ideal.

Apple was able to focus on their exact market segment and get there rapidly.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:30PM (#29051630)
The end users don't care what brand of chip is under the hood, or why the UX on Apple's implementation of Intel chips sucked, they just know the new device has much better UX overall due to the more powerful and more efficient chip and will upgrade for that.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by masklinn on Saturday October 30, 2021 @03:02PM (#29051414)
> I agree with you right up to how exactly does the M1 chip affect the final UX?

It allows apple to focus on what they want without being limited by and two their hardware provider’s strategy.

Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by ArgyleSound on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:52PM (#29051323)
Power efficiency for one.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by IgorPartola on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:55PM (#29051345)
Was there nobody else who made power efficient chips?
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by JiNCMG on Saturday October 30, 2021 @04:49PM (#29052190)
Not in the x86 arena. Every time Apple gets involved with a CPU developers (Motorola, IBM, Intel) their needs splits from the developers desires. This time they decided to go on their own (well after years of doing this for the iPhone). Note: They have been involved in the ARM CPU market since the days of the Newton.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by PeterisP on Sunday October 31, 2021 @07:37AM (#29056263)
Many other manufacturers had made power-efficient ARM chips, however, the mainstream computer makers (just a few years ago including Apple) did choose x86 compatibility over power efficiency.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by smoldesu on Saturday October 30, 2021 @07:34PM (#29053127)
None of the other CPU manufacturers have access to the same silicon Apple does, so it's hard to say.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by kingosticks on Sunday October 31, 2021 @04:20AM (#29055384)
That would make sense in the context of Intel but anyone with money has access to TSMC 5nm (in 2021-2022). Do I misunderstand?
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by JiNCMG on Sunday October 31, 2021 @09:56AM (#29056988)
Just because you have money doesn't mean you have a market. Just to run a plate to create test cpus cost in the millions. All others were happy with the incremental upgrades that they were getting from ARM. Apple needed more and started creating CPUs for the iPhones a few years back
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by kingosticks on Sunday October 31, 2021 @11:22AM (#29057616)
Looks like I did misunderstand, I thought they actually meant the silicon technology itself which is now available to the others and they all have designs coming using it.
Re:Raspberry Pi 4 achieves Vulkan 1.1 conformance, gets GPU ... by rbanffy on Saturday October 30, 2021 @04:20PM (#29052000)
> Before they start selling chips I would rather they open iMessage to other platforms to eliminate the bubble color discrimination.

When so many telcos charge outrageous prices for SMSs, it's a useful feature.