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Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by echelon on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:01PM (#28993075)
The ACLU is supposed to defend free speech. Period. Even if we hate it.

Now they pick and choose, and that's not right.

Do I like people with hatred towards their fellow humans? Absolutely not. But I don't think we should muzzle them. One day, that'll come back and bite the rest of us.

Likewise, the EFF needs to focus on the incredibly important missions of keeping software accessible and our privacy paramount. They're getting distracted too.

edit: mistakenly mentioned FSF instead of EFF. I'm clear about the distinction, it was just a mistake. Thanks for pointing it out, mig39.

Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by azinman2 on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:05PM (#28993128)
What do you mean by pick and chose? ACLU always has to pick their cases.. they cannot afford to be the nations lawyers nor should they be.
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by Fellshard on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:08PM (#28993154)
They are explicitly picking and choosing which speech they believe should be free - and it's not just selecting cases, but actively militating against some speech.

EDIT: Not just speech, but also other basic rights they have stood for, such as legal representation and rights of the accused.

Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by azinman2 on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:19PM (#28993268)
Can you please point to these cases?
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by Fellshard on Monday October 25, 2021 @06:10PM (#28993780)
One major one that seems to have set its course for the ensuing years is its response to the infamous Charlottesville rally, wherein they attempted to argue that they now considered liberties to have precedence among one another. [1]

Their response to reforms of Title IX to restore the rights of the accused was to intentionally lift up the rights of the accusers over and above the rights of the accused. Their statement regarding it dishonestly claimed that they were balancing the scales, whereas anyone who has examined Title IX can easily see it leaves the accused without their constitutional rights to due process. [2]

In a similar theme, they inserted themselves into the confirmation process of Brett Kavanaugh, taking a clear side on the issue instead of standing for principles of legal representation and initial presumption of innocence. [3]

There are other recent articles on continued churning against their prior positions, but unfortunately they are behind a paywall and I do not yet have access to read them. I may be able to find other sources later. [4]

[1] https://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/20180621AC...

[2] https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1063456843706585089

[3] https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1046826766017466370

[4] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/19/opinion/letters/aclu-free...

Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by azinman2 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @12:42AM (#28996475)
Thanks!
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by debacle on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:06PM (#28993139)
He means that, in 2021, they are coming out against free speech in multiple instances.
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by blacksmith_tb on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:42PM (#28993503)
This article[1] being a standard talking point. I have been an ACLU member for years, but I do find their current direction to be somewhat worrying.

1: https://archive.md/tL7Rj

Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by bink on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:30PM (#28993386)
Several people have stated this but none have provided an example. Could you be so kind?
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by iszomer on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:15PM (#28993230)
For a good recap, watch JRE #1595 with Ira Glasser.
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by amalcon on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:22PM (#28993303)
Is there a text source available? I'm not interested in getting this kind of information from a video, even if it weren't a polarizing source.
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by kyleee on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:33PM (#28993410)
I don't know anything about Ira Glasser, why are they polarizing?
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by amalcon on Monday October 25, 2021 @06:03PM (#28993696)
Joe Rogan is the one who's polarizing. I don't fully know why myself, as I'm not really a fan of the interview format anyway. I've just observed that he seems to be.
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by iszomer on Monday October 25, 2021 @08:03PM (#28994850)
He was the former (executive) director of the ACLU.
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by AlexCoventry on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:56PM (#28993633)
Rogan is supposed to be the polarizing source.
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by J5892 on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:12PM (#28993198)
While they may now be more often on one side of the political divide, they have not completely stopped defending freedom of speech regardless of political message: https://lawandcrime.com/first-amendment/aclu-backs-n-j-woman...

Of course, this is just one case. But it at least shows they're not opposed to defending those they may otherwise disagree with.

Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by mig39 on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:21PM (#28993297)
Are you confusing the EFF and FSF?
Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by ChrisMarshallNY on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:19PM (#28993270)
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Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by gaganyaan on Monday October 25, 2021 @06:59PM (#28994253)
Don't be silly.

It really hasn't been that long since the red scare, where people made comments just like yours, but warning about the dangers of those dirty pinkos towards god-fearing, decent Americans. The first amendment protects us from authoritarians of any political stripe.

Re:EFF co-founder John Gilmore removed from org's Board by _-david-_ on Monday October 25, 2021 @07:45PM (#28994686)
Can you clarify how changing who they are willing to defend is not a change in values?