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Re:Fastmail is having problems again by 5- on Friday October 22, 2021 @06:58PM (#28963780)
coincidentally (but unrelated), what is this crowd's current mail hosting recommendation?

it has consistently been fastmail in the past, and i have had a great time with them over the last three years, but it's always nice to know what else is out there.

for better or worse i've also come to use fastmail for dns management (tolerable) and even for http hosting (awful, but occasionally convenient).

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by rhblake on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:23PM (#28964009)
Switched from Gmail to Fastmail in 2008. No regrets. Haven't considered anything else since (and didn't notice these recent problems I now read about). Email hosting is something I'd want to change very rarely. Track record counts for a lot; good-AND-profitable email hosting is tough, and I generally wouldn't trust any entity [in this space] that's been around for <5 years. Fastmail's been at it for 20+ years now, and I'm reasonably sure I don't have to worry about changing anything for at least another 5-10 years.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by jdlshore on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:06PM (#28963850)
I’m very happy with FastMail, despite the recent problems.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by bingohbangoh on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:22PM (#28963996)
I will second this
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by intunderflow on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:05PM (#28963834)
I've been using https://purelymail.com/ for a few months now and found them to be excellent
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by brewdad on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:49PM (#28964234)
Agreed. I switched the last time they were mentioned on here. I haven't had any issues and migrating was relatively painless. I still need a shared calendar solution that passes the wife test. For now, we've kept our family calendar on Gooole.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by ekovarski on Saturday October 23, 2021 @01:19PM (#28970422)
Any deliverability issues?

Spoke to someone who switched and said that his sent emails were ending up in Spam initially for others - could even be related to other servers but that it eventually mitigated itself and he is quite happy with the service.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by portaltonowhere on Saturday October 23, 2021 @10:32AM (#28968883)
Any concerns about it being, seemingly, a one-person show? See https://purelymail.com/about
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by intunderflow on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:02PM (#28969717)
As my mail client just downloads my email and I use my own domain, PurelyMail is strictly for delivering and receiving as well as having a nice webmail, for me the answers to this question they posted at https://purelymail.com/docs/companyPolicy#bus are sufficient to deal with my concern for now
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by portaltonowhere on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:12PM (#28969818)
Ah thanks. Missed that.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by throwawayboise on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:05PM (#28963837)
I'm thinking of trying to stand up my own server on my own domain and see if I can get a good deliverability established.

It may not have better uptime than Fastmail or Gmail but it's also very unlikely to ever come under focused attack.

There's a certain resiliency in having a lot of small entities doing the same thing, compared to a handful of gargantuan ones that can take down huge user populations in an instant.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by nobody9999 on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:42PM (#28964177)
>I'm thinking of trying to stand up my own server on my own domain and see if I can get a good deliverability established.

I've been doing that for decades.

I had some deliverability issues back in the early aughts, but I haven't had issues for many years.

Over the past decade or so, SPF/DKIM/DMARC and not running an open relay (not that I ever did that) has kept deliverability very good for me.

That said, none of the IP addresses I've used are on consumer ISP ranges. That may have an impact too.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by zrail on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:19PM (#28963958)
You could also stand up a receiving server and then relay outbound through something like Postmark. Deliverability is the hardest part, it's worth it to farm it out.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by ekovarski on Saturday October 23, 2021 @01:15PM (#28970383)
^^^ This 100%. It's relatively easy these days to run a mail server, inbound even has a level of resilience that serves most people.

It's being delivered into the inbox that is an issue. You can eventually get there with a good IP and time but it's best to farm it out - plenty of services out there for it.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by chrisweekly on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:19PM (#28963962)
I think deliverability is going to be a bigger challenge than uptime; good luck!
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by astral303 on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:22PM (#28964001)
You really can’t beat Fastmail. No other provider comes close from when I researched a few years ago.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by mixedCase on Saturday October 23, 2021 @09:41AM (#28968336)
Yandex gives me storage, reliability, custom domains and government spying for free. How can Fastmail compete when it charges for the same things? They don't even have custom domains on their cheaper plan.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by terkel on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:05PM (#28963838)
https://www.migadu.com for sure. I tried both Protonmail and fastmail and Migadu is def the my favorite
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by lrae on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:49PM (#28964593)
The PRO/CON page [0] says they don't have 2FA yet, is that still true?

And anything else you'd mention as a con? I'm trying to remember why I didn't put them on my short list, maybe it was the 2FA thing, but I think there was something else.

0: https://www.migadu.com/procon/

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by worg on Friday October 22, 2021 @11:34PM (#28965453)
2FA works in migadu now (using TOTP) not affiliated in any way, just happy customer
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by atonse on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:01PM (#28963809)
Nowadays it feels like the kind of thing CloudFlare would launch as it’s right up their alley.

And seems appropriate if FastMail is having DDoS issues.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by Thorentis on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:05PM (#28963836)
History really does repeat itself. It won't be long before Cloudflare provides email, a search engine, cloud hosting, DNS, etc. and before you know it, we have another Google!

I would much prefer multiple smaller companies that do one thing well, than a monolith that, even assuming they did everything well, has complete control over our digital lives.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by loriverkutya on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:20PM (#28963969)
Cloudflare is not an ad company, Google is.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by Shared404 on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:50PM (#28964237)
I'm not a fan of Cloudflare increasing centralization, but I'd take a Google-sized Cloudflare and Cloudflare-sized Google over our curre t situation any day.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by tbyehl on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:56PM (#28964282)
CloudFlare is not an ad company, yet.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by donarb on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:06PM (#28964358)
CloudFlare doesn't need to be an ad company, they have plenty of paying customers.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by blitzar on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:24PM (#28964458)
With great control of the internet comes great advertising revenue.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by true_religion on Friday October 22, 2021 @09:44PM (#28964886)
They could just be an ISP. They can take money, provide services, and be regulated like a utility.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by blitzar on Saturday October 23, 2021 @06:57AM (#28967292)
In the United States, ISPs have had the right to sell your private browsing history since 2017, as long as they anonymized your personal data.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by riffic on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:08PM (#28964368)
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by nobody9999 on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:34PM (#28964121)
>coincidentally (but unrelated), what is this crowd's current mail hosting recommendation?

I had been using my ISP's email for imap connectivity from my home and phone.

They are getting out of the business of supplying the circuit I have with them and am now moving away from that ISP.

I chose to host my own email (I already owned my own domains and hosted my own MTA for those domains) on a local imap server. Heck, I even host my own authoritative DNS zones.

While there are single point of failure modes with that, nothing I do with my personal domains would kill me if my (multiple) ISP links are down for a few days.

Not the solution for everyone, but it works for me.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by throwaway81523 on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:39PM (#28964159)
Fastmail is on the expensive side by my standards, and has occasional service interruptions like this, but I'm basically happy with them and would go with them again. A much cheaper option is mxroute.com (watch for a black friday promo) but that is more DIY and is a smaller operation. In all cases, if you want a long term email address, use your own domain (doing that costs extra in Fastmail's case) rather than one belonging to the host. That lets you switch hosts if something makes you want to do that.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by astral303 on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:18PM (#28964427)
Fastmail is a bargain for me. I’d pay $40/mo for super high quality email.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by throwaway81523 on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:39PM (#28964527)
If you want to use your own domain it's $50. I'm disappointed that they stopped the $10/y plan, since I had a standing offer to give those away to friends and family in order to get them off of gmail/yahoo mail (I'd pay the first year and renewals would be up to the recipient). The current plans are a bit too expensive for that, and more than most non-cognoscenti would be willing to pay renewals for.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by throwawayboise on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:46PM (#28964564)
I was on a lifetime plan years ago, which to their credit they continued to honor even after they stopped offering it to new customers. I still woudl be, but needed some additional feature, maybe additional domains, can't recall, and now I'm on the $50/year plan. Still worth it to me.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by Amfy on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:41PM (#28964539)
yeah it'd be nice if they offered cheaper plans (possibly with less features)
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by throwaway81523 on Friday October 22, 2021 @11:55PM (#28965557)
They had that ($10/year, one address, fairly small storage limit) but they eliminated it a few years ago. That disappointed me.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by TheSmiddy on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:45AM (#28965805)
The thing about most SaaS companies is a majority of your support calls come from your lowest tier customers. In a service like email where a huge number of problems are a mystery due to other mail servers possibly mishandling email Fastmail have probably added up the numbers and realised that dropping the cheapest plans results in significantly less support costs.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by Fwirt on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:08PM (#28963861)
I've been using https://mailfence.com/ for a couple years, only one outage I can remember and the one time I had to contact support they resolved my issue very quickly.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by stilisstuk on Saturday October 23, 2021 @02:54AM (#28966313)
Me too. This is my third year with them I think. I believe there has been three downs. The worst was for almost a day IIRC.

I like mailfence for several reasons. Quick, at personal support is one important factor.

However I do think it would suit any provider if they publicized an annotated downtown log, so that we didn't have to guess how often or why they had issues.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by dangoor on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:22PM (#28964448)
I still quite like Fastmail. I'm also looking forward to getting the convenient new masked email addresses once 1Password 8 is stable (you can create them now in Fastmail's UI, but it'll be a lot easier with the browser extension)
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by Skunkleton on Friday October 22, 2021 @06:59PM (#28963794)
Fastmail has been my choice for some time now.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by ryantgtg on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:18PM (#28963948)
Me too. I came from posteo. The fastmail app is pretty great. This is the first downtime I’ve noticed in the last four years.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by usr1106 on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:47PM (#28964224)
mailbox.org left a good impression. Linux people who seem to know what they are doing. Hosted in Germany, you are not required to tell them any contact information (not sure how they could trace you via the payments).

I have not really used them, although I have their cheapest account hanging around. Not able to make a recommendation, but maybe someone else can comment.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by CallMeMarc on Friday October 22, 2021 @08:54PM (#28964619)
Been using them for nearly two years now. I’m on the 2,50€ plan, which I think is now legacy and was upped to 3€, because that’s the cheapest plan which supports own domains.

They offer a bunch of extra stuff like cloud, video conferencing, calendar etc. but I’ve never touched it.

In my opinion the interface is terrible and the settings are not so user friendly, in the settings menu is a kinda sub-settings menu which seems to be embedded from a subsystem…? But if you’ve got everything setup and provided you’re using your own email client, the service is top notch.

Never had a problem, maintenance and stuff like this was always communicated clearly and early. They split the parent company behind mailbox.org into its own one and even this one was very nice communicated.

I’d love to try providers like Purelymail because I think 30€ per year for my few mails is a bit overkill but the money is well spent on people knowing what they are doing and most important, the servers are all hosted in Germany.

YMMV but I’m happy with them and would definitely recommend them!

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by crossroadsguy on Friday October 22, 2021 @09:03PM (#28964667)
I wish they had an app or an app that would make catch-all feature more usable. Ability to reply from any random email I had used as long as it's on my domain.

For basics they are fine. Their cheapest plan is not the old cheapest. They added some new plans and now on cheapest plan there's literally no support (not even email or ticket) and many features simply cut off - no personal domain either.

IMHO one must not consider a paid email provider if it doesn't support custom domain, no matter how cheap that plan is.

UX is pathetic and there's no sign of that being fixed.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by crocodiletears on Friday October 22, 2021 @09:10PM (#28964705)
Fastmail's been great for me, I love it. Unless I can find a similar premium domestic (US) offering that's near feature parity, and not a trillion dollar megacorp, I couldn't imagine leaving them.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by diebeforei485 on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:49PM (#28964235)
I still recommend Fastmail if you're using it to replace your primary email.

If you just need to receive and send occasional email at your domain however, iCloud+ may be sufficient and you may already be paying for it.

Re:Fastmail is having problems again by folmar on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:43PM (#28964196)
Host your own or tutanota if else.
Re:Fastmail is having problems again by Amfy on Friday October 22, 2021 @07:55PM (#28964275)
MXRoute