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Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by egberts1 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:26PM (#28888956)
Brothers LaserJet.

No malware, no adware, no funky drivers; just colored, WiFi, LP-protocol, multi-tray PCL and PS support.

Best thing since sliced bread.

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by shostack on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:54PM (#28889232)
You know a market is bad when a company can lead the space simply with the platform of "we won't scam you."
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by ouid on Saturday October 16, 2021 @03:28PM (#28890691)
Kinda sounds like the whole economy though.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by tonyedgecombe on Saturday October 16, 2021 @05:12PM (#28891566)
In some ways we bring it on ourselves by being such cheapskates. People post reviews in the app stores because they think $2 is expensive for an app then wonder why they end up with free software that sells their private data to the highest bidder.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by ouid on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:58PM (#28892319)
It's not an "either/or" situation, apps compete on price and that's just not where they make their money, largely.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by maccolgan on Saturday October 16, 2021 @09:17PM (#28893118)
And then they overlook the actually good (real) free software.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by pdimitar on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:46PM (#28911487)
I never had a problem paying for good software. The issue is that the paid software very often isn't better, that's why many people started gravitating towards the free apps, me included.

Nobody likes being scammed even if it's just for $2.

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:32PM (#28923381)
Take a look at any high quality non-free product and you will see reviews complaining about the price.

This isn't about not wanting to be scammed, this is about people wanting something for nothing.

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by odiroot on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:05PM (#28889322)
I am also in the Brother laser club. Don't know anyone having any printing problems with it. The new ones are super quiet too.

They only tend to be a bit picky about the WiFi networks, so better to use with a cable.

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by egberts1 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @10:15PM (#28893396)
Mmmmm, that’s partially true. Their IPP protocol however just rocks by Ethernet wire.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by tempfs on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:55PM (#28889246)
Another vote for Brother's Laser printers. Love mine, cheap, reliable and works on Linux without a hitch.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by foofoo4u on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:18PM (#28889453)
Same here. Brother is the only printer brand I have used thus far that doesn't feel like its trying to scam me for my money.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by quickthrower2 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @02:09PM (#28889987)
Brother sells overpriced refills but there are off brand replacements about half the price. They also report ink run out on starter cartridges when it hasn’t. I think the only ethical printers are 3D ones.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by int_19h on Saturday October 16, 2021 @05:23PM (#28891671)
Have you tried resetting the counter? The procedure is different on different models, but it goes something like this: https://www.inkhub.com.au/ink/brother-mfc-l3750cdw-toner-res...
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by aesh2Xa1 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:45PM (#28892252)
Recent firmware updates have disabled this workaround. Brother has joined the malfeasance club.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by shadilay on Saturday October 16, 2021 @09:13PM (#28893102)
When did they do this? I reset my cartidge last year.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by quickthrower2 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:18PM (#28892077)
I have a mechanical mod to do that … but point still stands the default isn’t good.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by okl on Saturday October 16, 2021 @04:57PM (#28891442)
See my tip here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28889001

Vigorously shaking the cartridge might also help sometimes.

And regarding starter cartridges, you might need a reset gear: https://cartridgeamerica.com/ctg/brother-toner-chips.php

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by int_19h on Saturday October 16, 2021 @05:21PM (#28891659)
I have a Brother MFC that has been working for ~10 years now. No problems using third party toner.

One thing I did notice, though, is that it will start complaining and bugging you about replacing the toner before it actually runs out. There's a well-known way to reset that check, though, allowing you to print until it actually runs out.

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by rstuart4133 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:06PM (#28923778)
> Brothers LaserJet. No malware, no adware, no funky drivers; just colored, WiFi, LP-protocol, multi-tray PCL and PS support.

This is all true, but it seems lasers have had their day for the occasional use printer. We have an Epson EcoTank, and all manufacturers have equivalents. The hardware has been absolutely flawless - 12k pages of ink in the box, not a single jam after 10k pages, ink is something like $20 for 10k pages and child could refill the think without making a mess. They make you pay for the privilege of not nickel and diming you after buying it by charging at least $200 more upfront, but I'd take that any day.

But, for Epson at least, the simplicity of pcl6 / ps isn't there. You have to use their drivers, which often only exist for Windows. That shouldn't happen because they support "driverless printing", which is really just another printing format that supplants pcl6 / ps. They all support "driverless printing" because they need to check the "print from mobile" tick box, and they can only get it by supporting this new format.

In theory, this should be great for open source because this new format started life as the internal format used by CUPS called "CUPS Raster" [0]. It was then taken up by some mob called the "Printer Working Group", made more device independent, and renamed "PWG Raster", which CUPS supports. In practice, so far, I've never had the joy of seeing a driverless printer to work with CUPS - despite the fact that phones do work with the printers. It needs more time in the oven, I guess.

Mindboggling. Here we are, after 30 years of trying to come up with standard way of doing the apparently simple job of telling a printer how to put ink on paper, and we still need more time in the oven. Unbelievable.

[0] https://www.cups.org/doc/api-raster.html

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by kqr2 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:19PM (#28889460)
Don't the recent Brother printers require a chip id for toner cartridges? I believe you can transfer the chips but it still seems user unfriendly.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by okl on Saturday October 16, 2021 @05:01PM (#28891472)
Not aware of that. There seems to be a very old cartridge model that has a chip. Do you any link/source?
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by kqr2 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @05:32PM (#28891778)
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by gpsx on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:49PM (#28889791)
I've had one of these forever. Great purchase. (I am sure it still works great but I never print anything anymore.)
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by matheusmoreira on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:32PM (#28889020)
> no funky drivers

Even on Linux?

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by ineedtosleep on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:40PM (#28889106)
Brother printers, from my experience, will just work automatically -- depending on your distro. If you need drivers, they do have a Linux installer as well. I've used the installer before and definitely not even a fraction as scummy as Canon/HP driver installs.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by heavyset_go on Saturday October 16, 2021 @03:06PM (#28890488)
Pretty much every printer released since 2010 has IPP Everywhere support, which allows for driverless printing on any platform including Linux.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by matheusmoreira on Saturday October 16, 2021 @06:07PM (#28892008)
What about scanning?
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by terinjokes on Saturday October 16, 2021 @07:15PM (#28892437)
I can't speak to every Brother MFC, but mine just appears as an option in any application supporting SANE.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by heavyset_go on Sunday October 17, 2021 @03:02PM (#28898849)
There's IPP driverless scanning, as well.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by formerly_proven on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:46PM (#28889151)
These understand standard PCL (and even PDF, somewhat) - you really only need to point CUPS at the printer's IP and tell it what the page size is.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by tyfon on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:39PM (#28889093)
Can't speak for OPs printer but my brother just uses IPP and a PPD definition file, all supported out of the box with cups.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by ncallaway on Saturday October 16, 2021 @04:00PM (#28890952)
My printer works on a framework laptop with Fedora 35 with absolutely no configuration, or any installations of any kind (beyond having connected to the wifi).

Ironically, my windows desktop won’t print to it though. It just reports an opaque error sending to the print queue with no diagnostic information. No idea if it’s a windows problem or a printer problem, because I just use my linux laptop to print with no issues, so I haven’t bothered to resolve the windows printing issues.

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by kalleboo on Sunday October 17, 2021 @07:22AM (#28895665)
I had trouble geting a dirt cheap Brother running with CUPS and FreeBSD. Their official Linux PPD did some funky ghostscript+custom scripts thing that didn't translate to FreeBSD. I got it working with a OpenPrinting PPD instead.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by xfalcox on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:39PM (#28889098)
Yes and it works out if the box in any modern distro.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by jacquesm on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:42PM (#28889712)
Ebay: used 4 series. It'll be a heirloom.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by stephbu on Saturday October 16, 2021 @03:47PM (#28890843)
TBH this… Not one of these consumer printer businesses is going to survive commoditization of their now-primary source of consumer revenue - ink (the printer is just a loss-leading on-ramp to that business). These suicide-pills are the last gasps of a dying business model. Businesses don’t tolerate such shenanigans, but you and I will pay the price for doing so.
Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by bbarnett on Saturday October 16, 2021 @07:09PM (#28892394)
People have been buying 3rd party toner and ink for printers, for 30+ years.

And before that, 3rd party ink and ribbons, for dot matrix printers.

I agree that the consumer print business has gone down a strange path, bit this sort stuff has been going on forever.

EG, printers purposefully wasting ink, I recall 20+ years ago.

Re:Canon sued for disabling scanner when printers run out of... by perl4ever on Saturday October 16, 2021 @05:28PM (#28891718)
Is that like a Canon Xerox?