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Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by rtpg on Saturday October 09, 2021 @12:48AM (#28807140)
But I mean… Ireland has a higher English proficiency?

There are of course a lot of things doable fully in English. But when running a company not mastering the native language (even when all of the people you talk to speak English!) can be a big drawback.

Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by ssb1 on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:01AM (#28807188)
I'm willing to bet that an American would understand the English spoken in Amsterdam better than that spoken in pubs or on playgrounds in Ireland.
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by curation on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:24AM (#28807269)
Having lived in the Netherlands (Eindhoven - not even Amsterdam) I can confirm that the English spoken there was superior to the English I was raised in in rural Ontario where my teachers said "warshing" instead of washing. The Dutch have an incredibly faculty for language and I admire it.
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by consp on Saturday October 09, 2021 @02:41AM (#28807609)
I will have to mention that this varies all over, especially the bit older generation (not exclusively though) also has some weird quirks language wise. So while they might speak and understand the English language quite well the are some parts missing. As an example I like to mention the phrasing of Bolkenstein (a Dutch National/EU politician) of economic handouts to people as "Golden showers". So while proficiency might be high, it's not always ... perfect.
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by ben_w on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:18AM (#28807985)
Even among native speakers, there are often inter-generational shifts: to my father’s generation (1939) “gay” meant “festive, joyous” rather than a sexual preference; my mother used the term “glory hole” to mean “a cupboard used for storage”[0]; and her mother used “Irish” as an insult, and lived just long enough for “wireless” to start to refer to WiFi instead of longwave radio.

[0] admittedly she was starting to develop signs of Alzheimer’s at the point she called it that around me, but that was a legitimate use of the phrase when she was young.

Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by Digit-Al on Saturday October 09, 2021 @03:46AM (#28807852)
To be fair, we in the UK often talk about the government giving us a golden shower as well. We do phrase it "slightly" differently though :-/
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by midasuni on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:01AM (#28807916)
America calls it “trickle down”, but the principles the same
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by repsilat on Saturday October 09, 2021 @10:22AM (#28810101)
I guess if you mean "money is a small amount of liquid" then the analogy is fair? Otherwise the terms are very different -- handouts are not called "trickle down" in the US. The principle is not the same, it is literally the opposite.

"Trickle down" in the US is a term used to disparage the idea that a strong economy benefits the poor even in the absence of explicit redistribution.

Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by radiator on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:10AM (#28807959)
I for one don't see the problem in this particular case. To say that giving everyone money is like a golden shower, is an apt simile in my opinion.
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by ido on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:52AM (#28808156)
In the off chance this is not a joke: in colloquial English this means they are pissing on you (golden being the color of urine).
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by 123pie123 on Saturday October 09, 2021 @03:21AM (#28807748)
I'm from the UK and whilst working with a handful of dutch, I was blown away not only by their extremely good english but also their ability to understand and the subitle aspects of english - eg comedy/ sarcasium/ passive aggresstion etc..
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by ido on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:53AM (#28808164)
Dutch is probably the closest language to English that isn’t a dialect of English.
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by dfawcus on Saturday October 09, 2021 @08:25AM (#28809259)
No, that would have to be Scots. Especially compared to the region versions of English spoken in Northern England.

It should not be too surprising, given that Scots in large part derived from Northumbrian Old English, with various admixtures including from Scandinavia.

The versions of English spoken in Northern England also had a large input from Norse due to the Dane Law period, and that is part of what drove the change to modern English.

That said, in viewing un-dubbed (but subtitled) Dutch, Belgium, and Swedish TV programs, I have been surprised by the amount I get the gist of directly from the speech. Generally from the core Germanic portion of the languages. Belgium was also interesting due to the occasional mix of stock French phrases and words.

There were a non trivial quantity of 'English' words used, and usually for identical meaning, or a similar gloss.

Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by ido on Saturday October 09, 2021 @10:01AM (#28809911)
Fair enough, but Dutch is a much more “major” language than Scots (which I believe even in Scotland only a small % of the population speak as their first/mother tongue rather than English).
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by dfawcus on Monday October 11, 2021 @05:03AM (#28826276)
https://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/census-results/at-a-glanc...

So 1.5m out of 5.1m, which works out as 29%. I'd suggest these being folk who learnt it as their 'mother' tongue, since Scots is not taught as such in the school system.

I'm not sure how that and the 1.1% figure for use at home can be reconciled.

So if we take that 29% figure, despite being a minority, it is still in a better overall position than Gaelic.

One would expect that Scots could be fairly easily saved from extinction if it got official support, but there seems little political will within the Scottish establishment (Parliament and Government) to do so.

Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by sumedh on Saturday October 09, 2021 @07:33AM (#28808959)
> Dutch is probably the closest language to English that isn’t a dialect of English.

I still remember hearing two Dutch guys speak in Dutch, I thought there were speaking in English but then I realised I dont understand what they are saying.

Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by Y_Y on Saturday October 09, 2021 @06:29AM (#28808574)
That's an important point. Note that depending on definitions you might say (West) Frisian of Lowlands Scots claims this title.
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by tremon on Saturday October 09, 2021 @08:48AM (#28809394)
Part of that is probably because we have (grandfathered) access to BBC1 and BBC2 here, so ample opportunity to learn British mannerisms and expressions.
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by Kaius on Monday October 11, 2021 @07:47AM (#28827262)
Would that American be from inner city Baltimore? Or from a fishing boat off the coast of Louisiana? Or from the Ozarks perhaps?
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by WaxProlix on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:19AM (#28807251)
What about in office spaces?
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by nixass on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:29AM (#28807292)
But the US company in Europe would have far more (big majority) of non-US employees. Those employees have far better understanding of Dutch English than Irish English in every day and in corporate life
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by ithkuil on Saturday October 09, 2021 @03:15AM (#28807728)
There are some workers that would relocate with the whole family.

This means the significant other has to find a job and fit it, kids have to go to school.

While many countries have a very decent proficiency in English, you're whole family must fully invest in learning the local language. And that in addition to using English in the office of at least one of the adults (since many big companies use English officially)

Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by danieldk on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:50AM (#28808137)
There are some workers that would relocate with the whole family. This means the significant other has to find a job and fit it, kids have to go to school.

Like e.g. Berlin, the large Dutch cities are very much internationally-oriented and usually it's not problem to get a job and integrate if you don't speak Dutch. Sometimes the issue is quite the opposite -- my wife wanted to learn Dutch, but people would just switch to English or German and she would have to ask them explicitly to speak Dutch.

This means the significant other has to find a job and fit it, kids have to go to school.

Kids pick up other languages in no time. A lot of friends/colleagues moved between countries (academia) and the kids would usually pick up a language in 2-3 months. I have lived in Australia for six months when I was four. When we returned, I spoke English with an aussie accent (though that's gone now ;)).

Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by jan_Inkepa on Saturday October 09, 2021 @06:34AM (#28808602)
Living in Berlin if you don't speak German you are limited in employment, in healthcare, and possibly socially depending on your bubbles. Short time you may not notice it but long term you are probably best learning German. A friend of mine is struggling to find a job right now and lack of German is a big problem for them. Another friend started dating someone who's not herself in the anglophone tech bubble and can't hang out with her friends. Have translated for a friend in hospital for a operation.

Some people can deal with this, even long term, but it's definitely not for me.

Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by lrem on Saturday October 09, 2021 @09:44AM (#28809779)
Maybe? A Polish colleague happened to spend some time with, IIRC, a Scott and an Aussie. The two native speakers would resort occasionally to use him as an interpreter, because the native English tends to diverge out of bounds of their tolerances.
Re:Ireland joins OECD International Tax agreement by te_chris on Saturday October 09, 2021 @02:15AM (#28807484)
All this chat about spoken and nothing about legal systems.