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Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by bpodgursky on Friday September 17, 2021 @02:34AM (#28561980)
$12 billion is a staggering amount of money. I can't imagine blaming someone for shifting their stance on an exit after imagining what they could fund with a $12 billion payout.

If the founders take the cash and build, I dunno, the world's biggest yacht, that's a waste. But I think that's incredibly unlikely.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by arthurcolle on Friday September 17, 2021 @02:46AM (#28562050)
> If the founders take the cash and build, I dunno, the world's biggest yacht, that's a waste. But I think that's incredibly unlikely.

it's an email service provider for campaigns and other email spam with a recognizable brand, let's not imagine that this is beneficial beyond helping companies market stuff to people. It's like a meta-business enhancement service. Happy for the founders, hope they do some good with the new payout - but I think you are giving them a bit too much credit. Sure, kick back 100M to your old school district, maybe another 250M to BLM or to Math for America to strike off all of your philanthropic efforts in one go, curate some plebeian sympathies and smile for the cameras but at the end of the day, making it easy to bombard people with endless email campaigns isn't exactly solving global problems

EDIT: I reject hero worship vigorously - Mailchimp did a thing, it made money, and another entity that did a thing and made money that makes MORE money decided to absorb it and the cash payout was so good that investors/founders of MC decided to say fuck it, I'm done. Take my chips, gimme the loot. 12 billion dollars is generational wealth, but I mean I just can't/won't/don't respect people that have enabled spam or a business model that encourages bombarding people with BS. Same thing with IAP - I don't respect people who work for Apple because there was a layered hierarchy of priorities that said "we want to generate revenue at the expense of the people that trust us with their consumer electronics"

I just intrinsically cannot respect people that decide to profit off of wasting people's time, the only commodity you can't generate more of. Instead of craftsmanship we have psychopathic operators that try to fine tune all the ways to extract money from others and even develop meta-endeavors where people pay others to execute activities to get end-user observers ('users' in modern web dev parlance, for the JS devs) to waste time/spend money, for net negative expected value to themselves and others. It's super sordid and I just can't endorse it. Whatever.

In 25 years these guys will probably pull a Paul Allen and then start funding brain research or something after realizing that all the money in the world can't buy time and more life.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by modeopfer on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:48AM (#28563733)
Am I the only one who genuinely likes newsletters?

I don't use facebook or instagram or anything anymore, and just solely rely on subscribing to the newsletters of the stuff I like: bands, exhibition spaces, museums, even fashion brands.

Giving out my email tells the almost nothing about myself, except the only valuable thing: I am interested in their services. Most newsletter providers let me opt out with two clicks and I never get any more mails from them.

It really baffles me why there are not more people who enjoy emails, but would rather have another company decide which content they get to see.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by Aeolun on Friday September 17, 2021 @07:44AM (#28564265)
I enjoy pretty much all mail that I opted into. That constitutes about 80% of everything arriving in my inbox now. There’s some newsletters I’m actually looking forward to.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by luckylion on Friday September 17, 2021 @11:09AM (#28566349)
I believe there's a difference between newsletters that you value (because they provide news and interesting updates, e.g. JetBrains' XYZ Annotated Monthly) and what is typically sent via mailchimp, i.e. drip feed sales emails and click bait offers with lots of small print.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by sam_goody on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:49AM (#28563254)
A better description is: Mailchimp enables "marketing mails", since they have the IP addresses which will not be rejected no matter what they send.

This is power, and they market it: Send an email yourself and you may be shut down, send through us and worse case scenario you will have to create a new account to continue.

At the moment their IPs are more bulletproof then their competitors. But that is all they are selling - the ability to push through spam for others.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by abraae on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:05AM (#28563377)
Not familiar with MailChimp, but we use Mailgun (could be any similar system for the sake of argument) and there is a heck of a lot more than just having clean IPs.

Every time I use one of their screens to look at some issue I think... There's a bunch of stuff we didn't have to build, all for $80 per month.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by sam_goody on Friday September 17, 2021 @09:35AM (#28565303)
Oh sure, they have a lot of other stuff.

And all that other stuff would be a nice package that you would probably be able to buy for $99.

It's the market that https://sendy.co/ is in, but we would have plenty of competition there and better options.

The reason it is only Sendy and a few open source proj's are that SES delivery is not even in the same ballpark as Mailchimp's (I have used both).

And if you want the delivery, you need to pay for Mailchimp or Mailjet anyways. Its the reason you don't save much when sending via the Mailchimp API. The product is not the newsletter builder etc.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by snowwrestler on Friday September 17, 2021 @07:19AM (#28564023)
Any company who can afford to use Mailchimp already has an email channel that works extremely well; you have to, in order to do business. How does someone even sign up for Mailchimp if they can’t already email reliably?

Mailchimp is a SaaS, and the value is in the software, just like any SaaS. Specifically the value of email platforms comes from list management, compliance, integrations, branding, etc., all of which are hard to do with the basic-but-reliable email systems we use every day.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by elif on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:56AM (#28564903)
That is not correct. The magic is in IP maintenance. Source: I wrote the software.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by megaman821 on Friday September 17, 2021 @10:13AM (#28565718)
Back when sending emails was about 1 cent per email, my company wrote our own campaign email software to save tons of money. Each large email provider has its own rules about sending rates, backing off, soft bounces and hard bounces. Not getting your IP address blocked for breaking a ruleset that you don't know about is the hardest thing. A few year later MailChimp was becoming more popular and their prices where dropping; we switched almost everything over immediately and life was much easier.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by snowwrestler on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:59PM (#28568746)
This would be true if Mailchimp had a competitive advantage in deliverability, which they don’t. Source: I have evaluated Mailchimp as an ESP several times and selected competitors.

None of the ESPs beat our corporate email system on deliverability BTW. They did make it a lot easier to manage email programs, though.

Edit to add, I’m sure IP reputation management is a challenge if your business model is to allow anyone to sign up for free and start sending. Paying clients don’t care about that, though. Deliverability is something you can buy from lots of people. And for small folks, you’re not going to beat the deliverability of Gmail. It’s table stakes IMO. There’s a reason Mailchimp sells itself as a marketing software platform and not “we deliver emails”.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by elif on Friday September 17, 2021 @07:33PM (#28572060)
Their competitive advantage in deliverability is their client list. You can't divine yourself a massive volume of legitimate and engaging traffic. MC had to answer to literally no one, and we got to fire any customer we wanted.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by NetOpWibby on Friday September 17, 2021 @03:44AM (#28562426)
Holy shit, I couldn’t agree more.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by echelon on Friday September 17, 2021 @04:37AM (#28562786)
> all the money in the world can't buy time and more life.

It can, it's just that biologists aren't the ones that are winning the equities and securities game most frequently.

Given their inexperience, they throw money at things blindly, not realizing there are lower hanging fruit than the brain.

A billionaire biologist could attack the problem from first principles. And probably make measurable headway.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by goldforever on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:47AM (#28563234)
It can't, full stop.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by echelon on Friday September 17, 2021 @11:03AM (#28566274)
What do you think aging is from a mechanistic standpoint?

Define it and tell me how you can't make a measurable impact upon it.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by Apocryphon on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:11PM (#28567987)
Tell it to Norm MacDonald, or Chadwick Boseman.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by echelon on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:24PM (#28568190)
What are you on about?

Yes, people die. But we can stop it by continuing to invest in biotech.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by Apocryphon on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:26PM (#28568219)
Alright, calm down Ray Kurzweil
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by protomyth on Friday September 17, 2021 @07:08AM (#28563898)
If the founders take the cash and build, I dunno, the world's biggest yacht, that's a waste.

No, that would pay a lot of skilled workers a damn good wage for a couple of years. Yachts employ a lot of highly paid people.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by kaibee on Friday September 17, 2021 @03:19PM (#28569813)
So what? If instead of building the world's biggest yacht, they paid them to dig and refill holes, from the perspective of someone 100 years from now, both would be pretty much equally wasteful. Otoh, investing that into research, wouldn't be.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by protomyth on Sunday September 19, 2021 @02:55PM (#28586888)
No. Humans need accomplishments and doing pointless work (dig and refill holes) is a drag on the soul no matter how much you pay. Look at all the programmers that get mad when doing dumb work.

The yacht is a tangible item that will last and can be pointed to with pride by the workers. Pointless work damages us.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by refurb on Saturday September 18, 2021 @07:07AM (#28575220)
No, because there would be a yacht at the end of it. That has value.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by bluedevil2k on Friday September 17, 2021 @07:49AM (#28564315)
Thank you! People act like the uber-rich buying expensive things is a waste of money. We want them to spend their money. Get it into the hands of people who really need it.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by protomyth on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:36AM (#28564715)
And rich people buy stuff that requires skilled labor. Those craftspeople jobs are well paid. Reducing friction for rich people to buy locally made items is a good thing.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by ThemalSpan on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:37AM (#28564730)
Do that through taxation. I thought trickle down economics had been broadly repudiated.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by ubercow13 on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:57AM (#28564914)
Probably because rich people do not spend enough of their money, not because they spend too much of it.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by effingwewt on Friday September 17, 2021 @12:42PM (#28567619)
Seriously, reading comments like those you replied to hurts my head.

In fact all that's been happening is trickle up, since the wealthiest keep siphoning more and more money, such that we essentially have no middle class left.

I like how we use the word class and then deny having a class/caste system.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by bpodgursky on Friday September 17, 2021 @11:15AM (#28566422)
Plenty of billionaires invest cash in capital expenditures which aren't totally frivolous. Build a global satellite broadband network or something.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by Igelau on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:32AM (#28564681)
I just want to see this incredible yacht.