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Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by google234123 on Friday September 17, 2021 @12:49AM (#28561332)
I get some enjoyment thinking about how much Apple must annoy all the right-to-repair people every year as they solder more and more components into their logic boards.
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by jve on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:23AM (#28561526)
Compomnent count doesn't have to do anything with right to repair. And I really hope easily swappable components too (well up to a certain point, maybe. Just maybe).

Naturally, you need expertise to repair. And you need tools too. But you have to have access to schematics+boardview, spare parts, a way to flash firmware (so the replaced component actually works/talks with other components on the board) and you are good to go.

Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by p1necone on Friday September 17, 2021 @03:14AM (#28562225)
What is your problem with right to repair exactly?
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by tonyedgecombe on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:50AM (#28563758)
It's not at the top of my list of priorities. What I want is reliability and security updates for a long time. If a bit more glue means the phone is less likely to break when I drop it or if it gets wet then I'm happy with that.
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by simion314 on Friday September 17, 2021 @07:10AM (#28563923)
You were FUD-ed, right to repair is not about making things less thin and not water proof.

Making the same software and documentation Apple partners use available to all does not make your phone less sexy.

Making it possible to recycle say a screen from a device and put it into other device, those reducing waste will also not make your phone less sexy.

Allowing me the choice to replace a battery at an Apple approved store or let a random dude do it for me it will not make your phone less sexy.

The part about filling the device with glue is debatable, is it done for the user benefit or is done to prevent repair or done to gain 2 cents. If is done malicious to fuck the user then I think they should stop.

And I mean this in general, including washing machine, consoles and other devices, there is always a very cheap part that breaks, that could have been made stronger with a few cents more of materials and for some reason each year you get a new model of the thing with a redesign so the parts will never fit.

Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by jdavis703 on Friday September 17, 2021 @07:18AM (#28564006)
I don’t think this is just FUD. Many people on this site actually want a thicker iPhone with a replaceable battery. But you are correct, right to repair does not have to mean easy to repair.
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by p1necone on Saturday September 18, 2021 @01:31AM (#28573911)
Right to repair has nothing to do with making devices thick or thin or waterproof or not waterproof. It's about manufacturers making schematics and spare parts available to consumers and third party repair shops, not voiding warranties when said third party repairs are performed and not arbitrarily DRMing parts so that they cannot be replaced.
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by simion314 on Friday September 17, 2021 @10:07AM (#28565645)
It is normal that many people would sacrifice 1-5 mm of thikness for more battery and the ability to replace the battery... but this is not about preventing people to repair their phones, just that people hate to charge their phone daily and always keeping on eye on the battery.
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by tonyedgecombe on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:27AM (#28564646)
>You were FUD-ed, right to repair is not about making things less thin and not water proof.

There clearly is a trade off.

The rest of your complaints are just about commercial concerns, they have nothing to do with the environmental impact of these devices.

Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by simion314 on Friday September 17, 2021 @10:10AM (#28565680)
>The rest of your complaints are just about commercial concerns, they have nothing to do with the environmental impact of these devices.

How the fuck don't have an impact if

1 Apple approved repairs cost more and Apple "encourages" you to buy a new device

2 most people don't have an Apple store near by, so it makes it even more expensive and time consuming to get your device fixed.

From 1 and 2 results Apple approved repairs are more expensive and time consuming where it results (obviously) with less repair happening results more e-waste.

Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by p1necone on Saturday September 18, 2021 @01:34AM (#28573920)
There is no tradeoff. Apple providing the same schematics and spare parts that they already use internally to third party repairers and consumers is not going to magically make their products thicker or heavier. And I fail to see how any of this would have a negative environmental impact.
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by tonyedgecombe on Saturday September 18, 2021 @05:29AM (#28574846)
That's a commercial concern, it has nothing to do with the environmental impact.
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by simion314 on Saturday September 18, 2021 @03:11PM (#28578472)
Commercial? Like people might not buy a new device and instead fix it? This could be at the same time an environment issue too, what is better for Apple is bad for users and environment
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by TakuYam on Friday September 17, 2021 @12:59AM (#28561390)
You enjoy Apple pretending to be environmentally friendly all the while demonstrating they are no such thing? Why?
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by google234123 on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:04AM (#28561414)
Apple doesn't pretend https://www.apple.com/environment/ Anyway those aren't mutually exclusive - you can't replace transistors like you could a vacuum tube.
Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by NoPicklez on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:57AM (#28561778)
Sorry I couldn't help but do the same as you have, which is link a companies public environmental page as evidence for a company caring about being environmentally friendly.

Aramco doesn't pretend about being environmentally friendly either https://www.aramco.com/en/creating-value/sustainable-busines...

Despite being the largest contributor of greenhouse gas emissions in the world...

Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by nimih on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:51AM (#28563272)
> you can't replace transistors like you could a vacuum tube.

What, precisely, do you think "right to repair" advocates want to do with their phones? Because you're right, it certainly doesn't involve popping out individual transistors like vacuum tubes.

Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by mattst88 on Friday September 17, 2021 @02:08PM (#28568860)
Soldering isn't the hard part. People can do that no problem.

The hard part is understanding the device without schematics. See https://www.wsj.com/video/series/joanna-stern-personal-techn... for a very good explanation of the issue.

Re:Apple shareholder resolution calls for company to support... by Bilal_io on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:48AM (#28561712)
Are an Apple fanboi or Google's? Or both?

Right to repair is critical for the environment, and not sure what you gain by standing against it.