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Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by MengerSponge on Friday September 03, 2021 @04:48PM (#28409234)
> invention of 4chan

They set out to transform a symbol, and they succeeded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#White_power_symbol

If you think it isn't real because it was made up, Vonnegut's Mother Night has you covered: "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”

Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by chmod775 on Friday September 03, 2021 @06:54PM (#28410346)
They only succeeded if you let them. And if you do I'm going to think less of you for enabling them.

Right now this new 'perception' is pretty limited to a certain US-centric news bubble. Everyone outside that bubble in the US, and generally people everywhere else, are likely to laugh in your face if you tried to convince them the OK gesture is a hate symbol now.

Your average person hasn't even heard of this inane controversy. I for one have to seek out the kind of demographic who thinks that way online - because nowhere else could I even find anyone.

Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by DoItToMe81 on Saturday September 04, 2021 @12:08AM (#28411997)
The same people blaring on about them somehow "taking over" a common symbol were, not so long ago, trying to claim that the same scumbags had somehow 'taken over milk' as a symbol of white supremacy.

It's impossible to take these claims seriously. The media will publish anything that gets clicks, no matter how exaggerated or even fabricated, the people making up these claims know they'll get instant coverage and spread their 'cause', and the people spreading the idea that some loser somewhere saying "uh, the middle finger stands for the monolithic purity of the white race" is actually a threat to the fabric of society just enjoy having another thing to be morally panicked by.

Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by MengerSponge on Friday September 03, 2021 @11:49PM (#28411915)
That same hand symbol has been super offensive in Germany for decades, but for scatological reasons, not white power ones.

The swastika was a symbol of good luck, the infinity of creation and the unconquered, revolving sun for millennia. Now it's the symbol of the Nazi party and their atrocities. It's not fair, but that's how symbols work. Their meanings can change when new meanings are ascribed to them.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/18/ok-sign-white...

If a bunch of far-right dipshits want to rally around a cartoon frog and what used to be an innocuous hand gesture, then the meaning of those symbols is going to shift. You're the one playing into their hand. You're the one letting the cryptos remain crypto, instead of illuminating and naming their behavior, for shame.

Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by rpmisms on Friday September 03, 2021 @05:06PM (#28409414)
I think you're seeing a slightly different narrative. 4chan decided to make people upset about the hand sign, some major news networks obediently expressed outrage, and a whole lot of people who actively dislike said news channels discovered a whole new way to generate headlines.
Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by not2b on Friday September 03, 2021 @06:04PM (#28409928)
They were so successful at marketing the idea that the "ok" sign meant White Power that white nationalists started using it that way and the meaning shifted. And since a lot of the 4chan people are deeply racist they were basically saying "let's take over this symbol". And they succeeded.
Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by kukx on Friday September 03, 2021 @06:40PM (#28410240)
As far as I know 4chan people were trolling the media and they succeeded. The result is both funny and scary. The scary part is that random people's lives are harmed because of some innocent photo or gesture. This insanity stems not only from media but also the new culture. Hopefully when going back to normality we will not swing too much to the other side.
Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by Quanttek on Saturday September 04, 2021 @03:34AM (#28412931)
You're completely ignoring the fact, started in the comment as well, that white nationalists have widely adopted the signal subsequently
Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by slim on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:14AM (#28413438)
It's funny because that sign represents "allah" :) if I was into conspiracy I would say there's a 4chan elite directing hilarious ops inside 4chan
Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by rpmisms on Saturday September 04, 2021 @01:54PM (#28417384)
4chan generally produces some of the most objectively hilarious scenarios. I recommend watching the "He will not divide us" series by Internet Historian on Youtube.
Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by AnnoyedComment on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:32PM (#28420965)
By this logic, you should start using racial slurs in a positive way.
Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by paisawalla on Friday September 03, 2021 @07:23PM (#28410537)
No. This gentleman is not, and was not, a white supremacist: https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/sdge-worker-fired-ove...

He didn't lose his job because of 4chan, but because of ostensibly well-intentioned midwits who believe "4chan succeeded in transforming a symbol" and "fake things can be real". Truly, this type of rationalization is the Bell Curve meme in action.

He was fired because of the reaction -- engineered by 4chan -- of over-intellectualizing social justice nabobs who attend rallies and protests. You guys were literally told the punchline of the joke and still walked right into it.

Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by Jordrok on Friday September 03, 2021 @10:58PM (#28411708)
Maybe not, but this guy sure is: https://www.axios.com/christchuch-attacks-brenton-tarrant-15...

Obviously the twitter hive-mind went too far in singling this one guy out, and SDG&E colossally fucked up in not doing basic due diligence before firing him. That doesn't change the fact though that there are people out there who do indeed use the hand sign to unironically mean exactly the things that 4chan set out to convince people that it meant. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending otherwise is nothing short of willful ignorance.

Re:Finger counting gives away your nationality by paisawalla on Friday September 03, 2021 @11:39PM (#28411875)
Amazing.

The false information that this gesture means anything has everything to do with that man being fired, and contributes absolutely nothing to the awfulness of the Christchurch shooting, but you feel there is somehow an equivalence? Not only that, but you think there's moral superiority afforded to you for making this observation?