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Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Sebb767 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:30PM (#28303655)
I've actually heard that quite often and it seems anecdotally true to me, but is there actually any study to prove this?
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by e40 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @02:48PM (#28305384)
I had completely stopped downloading movies in 2018, and even for that year, I downloaded very few. I had been tapering off since 2015. These are real numbers from my NAS. I got a seedbox 2 months ago. This was my last straw: trying to rent some movie on Amazon and was told I had to subscribe to some service to watch it--there was no price to watch it once.

The other things I did recently: 1) paused Google YTTV because NBA season was over 2) canceled Netflix because I never watch it

I've been watching content (some of it very old, like The Larry Sanders Show) on HBO Max, but the app on Roku is *SO HORRIBLE* I'd rather pirate content and watch it on PLeX.

The Amazon app/UI is *HORRIBLE*, too. Like multiple seasons are separate items? WTF. I'll download series I have access to on Amazon just to avoid that app.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by vageli on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:26PM (#28305795)
> The Amazon app/UI is HORRIBLE, too. Like multiple seasons are separate items? WTF. I'll download series I have access to on Amazon just to avoid that app.

Not only that but I've even seen the seasons presented in no order whatsoever: i.e Season 2 followed by Season 8. It is nonsensical.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:51PM (#28306100)
Ironically, the biggest russian torrent site is just a phpbb forum and it is wonderfully organized and very well moderated. Easy to find the content you want.

Fun fact: previously it tried to cooperate with the content owners and removed content by request, so the UX was considerably worse. But then, someone successfully litigated to block them 'forever' in Russia, so... They restored all prevoiusly removed content and now it has almost everything I ever wanted. Great win!

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by syspec on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @07:22PM (#28308469)
Sorry, who is the them here? The people who sued? The pirates? Users? The Russian site itself is blocked on Russia?
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday August 26, 2021 @01:03AM (#28310901)
'them' is rutracker.org, it is blocked in russia. 'someone' is some copyrast litigator who's actions backfired.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by bunfunton on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:29PM (#28310303)
What is their site?
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by stavros on Thursday August 26, 2021 @12:32AM (#28310743)
I guess rarbg.to.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:52AM (#28311836)
rutracker.org
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by UnpossibleJim on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:09PM (#28310170)
I genuinely do not understand how Amazon can have dropped the ball on their UI for this long, this bad. Given their drive to get customers to consume shipped product, their track record with digital products is abysmal. Video games is a product problem and that's a different discussion, but "television" and movies are a different matter. The product and consumer appetite are there, but the roadblock is the UI. Does no one who is in upper management use the product? I know they treat their testers like crap, but surely someone in the marketing or graphics department has at least done some usability polling. Right? Right?
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by qorrect on Thursday August 26, 2021 @11:41AM (#28316359)
I don't understand it either. It might be hard to quantify the affect of their Prime streaming business on their sales and thus they don't prioritize it ? That's my only guess, it feels to me like their most public product and its received the least attention.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by cik on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:41AM (#28312188)
The UI and general use of these apps are so bad - that I literally find myself torrenting things from Netflix, Prime, and Disney+ rather than use those apps, purely to be able to consume it on Plex.

The VPN jumping lunacy bothers me. I moved countries - great so I can't use Disney+? I get it, but that now means I have to download (your new) content because you won't actually let me buy your content, directly from you. For the first couple of months I continued to pay for the service. Eventually I decided that if you don't want me as a customer, I don't feel bad about downloading it. Sad really.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by birdyrooster on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @09:03PM (#28309303)
Went to watch Beavis and Butthead on Amazon and it had no music videos... They were all edited out. How is that remotely acceptable?
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by throwaway09223 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @09:07PM (#28309333)
The Beavis and Butthead music video thing is a decades old problem, unfortunately. The DVDs were like that too. Something about failing to obtain the music video rights for the show outside of its original airing.

The only reasonable option is to pirate.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by FooHentai on Thursday August 26, 2021 @12:40AM (#28310776)
Happens sometimes with some video games as well. In the past when remasters came out they couldn't secure or couldn't afford the music licensing costs so they had a cut or replaced score.

That became worse in recent years when titles on digital distribution platforms e.g. Steam had music removed due to expiring licenses. This meant a game you had already downloaded and installed would be downgraded unless you were quick enough to stop the automatic updates for it.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by qorrect on Thursday August 26, 2021 @11:42AM (#28316375)
Huh I'd never heard of this.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by tybit on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:23PM (#28308986)
Why would you reply with an anecdote to someone specifically mentioning they’ve heard plenty of anecdotes but want data?
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by AlexCoventry on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:08PM (#28306264)
> The Amazon app/UI is HORRIBLE, too.

Zero control over playback speed is the deal killer for me.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by swader999 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:16PM (#28308942)
I subscribed to watch season 8 of alone. Each show had about eight thirty second commercials that you couldn't skip. Last time I'll try that way to watch something.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by GiorgioG on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:24PM (#28305781)
I was pretty pissed off to discover the HBO Max Roku app is such garbage - after paying for HBO Max for a year.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by jsjohnst on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:08PM (#28310166)
If you have a T-Mobile Magenta plan with unlimited data, you get HBO Max for free btw.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by HeavyStorm on Thursday August 26, 2021 @09:46AM (#28314864)
Still an anecdote...

And, no qualms of conscience there at all?

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by e40 on Friday August 27, 2021 @12:37PM (#28329885)
Why would I? Most of the content on my PLeX is paid for elsewhere. And, anything I pirate which I like I buy. I watched _Pig_ and immediately went to Amazon and paid $14.99 for it. If I pirate something that is terrible, there's no point.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by asdff on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:29PM (#28304315)
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Sophistifunk on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:35PM (#28309094)
My anecdata is definitely this. I used to pay for almost all my media, but switching regions, logging in and out of shit, buying iTunes cards on ebay, checking through 4 different streaming apps, and then extra work when you do find what you want and try to watch it only to be told your subscription doesn't actually cover it but you can pay extra (looking at you, Amazon Prime), it's just so much fucking work when tracker -> torrents dir -> plex is so much easier and user-friendly.

And I pay for Plex.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by tacLog on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @02:40PM (#28305283)
I found this site from the torrentfreak link below and thought it was pretty cool.

https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/stat/annual/2021 If you flip thru the years at least the top movies in 2018 have more downloads than the top movies in 2021. I think that can somewhat safely answer your questions.

EDIT: WRONG because as a comment points out below older movies also might just have been downloaded more over time.

From this site, it doesn't look like their was much of an uptick in top downloaded movies from 2019 to 2020. And in general torrenting has been growing less popular.

However, the numbers on this site in general don't sanity check very well for me. For example, the End Game Avengers movie, which was incredibly popular, was only downloaded: 2,890 times in 2019? That doesn't seem high enough to me.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by TaylorAlexander on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:05PM (#28305566)
It does make some sense that movies which have been available for three years could have more downloads than movies which have been available for one year.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by tacLog on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:32PM (#28306533)
I didn't think of this at all. This throws the tenuous conclusions I was drawing completely out the window.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Freak_NL on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:42PM (#28305984)
A friend who torrents these things just checked for me and saw well over a 100,000 'snatches' for that Avengers flick on just one private torrent tracker.

So yeah, not 2,890. Think millions.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by cyxxon on Thursday August 26, 2021 @03:35AM (#28311725)
Additionally, I guess there are also many people, myself included, who download stuff again, but I don't use torrents, as I have indeed been burned in the past by that. I now use forums that link to encrypted Mega accounts or similar.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by tacLog on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:36PM (#28306584)
> A friend who torrents these things just checked for me and saw well over a 100,000 'snatches' for that Avengers flick on just one private torrent tracker.

This makes far more sense, I wonder why their numbers are so bad.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by AnonHP on Thursday August 26, 2021 @12:24AM (#28310696)
The stats can be collected only from public torrents where DHT is being used (AFAIK). There are many private trackers that are closed to the outside world and have tens of thousands of members, each of whom may not only download from the peers within that private tracker, but also share the downloaded content with others.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:31PM (#28305857)
Yeah but if most people have services - I have three - then the most popular movies for that year will be on all the services almost. Endgame has been on all my services at some point over the last couple years. I've seen it probably 20+ times. Probably also the people who are most likely to want to watch Endgame have services.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by tacLog on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:35PM (#28306569)
By services you mean, Netflix, Hulu and similar right? Not plex, or the various illegal streaming sites?
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:41PM (#28306661)
right.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by anothernewdude on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @06:29PM (#28307969)
I don't torrent when I pirate anymore (or use usenet). Torrent stats might be going down because there are easier alternatives.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by agentwiggles on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:22PM (#28310248)
Do you mean the common streaming sites that are all over the place now? Or some other better method?
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by AnonHP on Thursday August 26, 2021 @12:25AM (#28310700)
Easier alternatives such as?
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by AussieWog93 on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:29PM (#28309036)
Specifically for the example of Australians watching pirate rips of television programs, the percentage of us doing it dropped like a brick after Netflix launched here back in 2015 and has climbed back slightly since the fragmentation occurred.

It's nothing like the old days where we had to wait several weeks to watch Game of Thrones legally, though.

I don't have the exact numbers on hand, but from memory it was something that around 40% of us were doing back in 2013, had dropped to around 15-20% by 2018-2019, and is now at just above 20%.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by BigJono on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @10:49PM (#28310041)
My parents asked me to help them get into streaming a few months ago after they got a new iPad. So I bought them a Chromecast, taught them how to switch the input source between the Chromecast and Cable on their TV, which they were cool with.

Then I tried to set them up on the iPad.

There was about 5-10 specific shows they wanted to watch, what I found was that they were literally spread across more than 5 services, with one show each. Not a single one of them had 2 of the shows they wanted to watch.

They were already set up with Foxtel and had been using it for a couple of years, they watched shows on it regularly and knew how to do everything up to hitting the 'cast' button.

So I set them up with the other services, bummed an Amazon account off a sibling, signed them up to the 3 or 4 free services we have in Australia, think I subbed to one other one or something too. I can't even remember what they all were there was so many. I put the icons all in the same place on their home screen so they knew those apps were all the streaming ones etc etc.

I logged into a few of the accounts a week or so ago and they haven't watched a single thing. Not even on the Foxtel, which they were already using, and now they've stopped using it.

It seems to me like they've just hit a wall of complexity and thrown their hands up and said fuck the whole thing.

And you know what? I'm right there with them. Half way through the set up, trying to do the right thing, I was an inch away from throwing my hands up and saying fuck the whole thing as well. It would be far easier for everyone involved if I just brought a hard drive with new shows around for them every few months.

There was another thread here yesterday where some bloke was going on about how he couldn't understand why people wouldn't just spin up a linux box or something instead of using Discord.

Well, this is it. It took my parents months to get used to using one app, and adding something as simple as another couple of apps to the mix has turned them off the technology entirely.

When you introduce anything other than the absolute most simple UX, you risk losing part of your market entirely. You're not building stuff for other software engineers or other TV network execs or whatever your job title is. Everyone trying to carve out their own piece of the pie is just smashing the pie to bits for everyone else.

When it was just Netflix, piracy was almost dead. Now, it's going to come back, unless content distributors can find some way to work together. That goes for music, TV and games. All 3 ecosystems are running into the exact same problem.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by raffraffraff on Thursday August 26, 2021 @04:26AM (#28312070)
After my sister died, my brother in law was in a deep hole. I wanted to cheer him up somehow, and so I ended up giving him a 2TB hard disk connected to an old laptop. Then plugged a gen 1 Chromecast into his TV, and installed Plex onto an old tablet. He said it was a life saver. It helped get him through a really bad winter. I can't even think of a way I could have given him that content "legally". Some of it was great but obscure stuff ripped off DVDs that I bought over years. It's not just the complexity of multiple apps and devices - some content just isn't there. Like a shitload of really decent TV series and movies from the 60s onward.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by sen on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:22PM (#28310251)
> It would be far easier for everyone involved if I just brought a hard drive with new shows around for them every few months.

I do this for my family. 3TB external HDDs, each time I see them they give me the old one and I give them a another one freshly topped up (things added/removed based on suggestions/requests).

It's been a smashing hit and they all love it.

We all loved Netflix when it came out and paused doing this for a while, but it wasn't long until the fragmentation and geoblocking led to more requests for certain shows popping up again, and now we all pretty much got rid of all our streaming services and are back to the HDDs.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by caf on Thursday August 26, 2021 @02:25AM (#28311339)
When it was just Netflix, piracy was almost dead. Now, it's going to come back, unless content distributors can find some way to work together.

Right. They need to swallow their pride and realise there needs to be a way to have one interface that shows you all the content you can access from the subset of services you subscribe to, in a searchable way. My Netflix shows, Prime shows and Foxtel shows should show up side-by-side in the interface. They can put a ribbon on it and/or an opening title to tell me who the distributor is.

Purchasable/rentable content can appear in a separate section, and when I can buy content from two or more services I have an account with, present them all and let me choose which one to use.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by agentwiggles on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:21PM (#28310241)
I'm right there with you. I'm increasingly frustrated by the experience of using my various streaming apps. I don't even mind having to bounce between different apps for different content. But just _finding_ the content I want is such a fucking chore sometimes.

One of the most annoying scenarios I seem to find myself in all too frequently is trying to get to the episode list for a series. The assumption that most of my services make is that when I click on the series card in the list of shows, the thing I want is to automatically be taken to where I left off. This is fine when it works (although it's a big damn assumption that the app correctly preserved where I left off, and even when it does that often dumps me into the credits for the episode I finished last night). But when I want to see the episode list, I feel like I just have to flail about and curse at the TV until I stumble upon the right sequence of buttons to get to what I want.

That's not even to mention the incredibly disheartening recent changes to the home screen of my (Shield) Android TV, where half the home screen is now taken up with ads for programs I will never watch on services I don't even use.

It does make one rather miss the days of a folder full of AVIs and VLC. I also had a nice Plex setup at one point. Maybe one of these days I'll get off my ass and heed the call of the open seas.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by ddingus on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @02:54PM (#28305446)
I don't have a numerical proof based on numbers myself either, but myself and everyone in my circles has increased.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by anothernewdude on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @06:28PM (#28307959)
It's harder to study now that torrents aren't the only alternative.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by atatatat on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @10:18PM (#28309826)
University libraries
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Mindwipe on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @12:33PM (#28303682)
Nope.

There was a little upkick at the start of the pandemic according to Sandvine, but Sandvine's methodology is not watertight and lots of people staying at home with not much to do seems a more likely culprit than service fragmentation.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by toyg on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @01:26PM (#28304280)
anecdotally, I freeload on a Netflix account paid for by a friend, and last year I was tempted to get my own subscription. Then I noticed Netflix had fewer and fewer movies I was interested in, and just went back to sailing the high seas.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by hellbannedguy on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @02:53PM (#28305440)
Yea, it's their Achilles heel.

You can throw money at directors, and actors, but there are just so many great movies, and most were made by hollywood years ago.

The owners of those great films, started their own streaming service.

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by reacharavindh on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @03:14PM (#28305667)
Yeah. The attraction of Netflix was the ease of access to a lot of desirable content even faster than finding it online somewhere else*

But, nowadays it feels like Netflix’s catalog is full of its self made titles(Some of them are great), but less and less “popular” ones that we heard of somewhere and just want to watch.

If I am expected to shuffle around multiple streaming subscriptions, and pay for them individually, it is not that different from the cable TV model that these guys took on against.

Sailing the high seas indeed!

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:32PM (#28306538)
It is one of the biggest reasons to use torrents. You see, this is the only non-fragmented service that has all media content!

Now, of only there was a way to have a moderated search for all content on all trackers.... Maybe there is one already, and its just that i don't know it?

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by ageyfman on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @07:03PM (#28308313)
... Pirate Bay? We're back in the early/mid 2010s now.
Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @07:19PM (#28308428)
PirateBay became a haven for false torrents infested by malware. I'm ta lking about rutracker.org

It has mostly russian-dubbed content, but it usually has original soundtracks, too.

Also, now it is probably better than ever (didn't watch anything for quite a while, so it's a guess), because films are currently released on VOD concurrently with premieres in theatres, and that means that good quality content appears immediately, and not after theatrical window

Re:OnlyFans drops planned porn ban by AnonHP on Thursday August 26, 2021 @12:27AM (#28310714)
Netflix seems like a split brained company. Most of its original movies are terrible, and are in sharp contrast to many of the Netflix original series which are very good. I personally wouldn’t (and don’t) look for movies on Netflix.