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Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by PragmaticPulp on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:13PM (#28295076)
> This thread feels very...Hacker News Bubble?

Smart TVs is one of those recurring HN topics where it’s clear that people made up their minds years ago, likely from a single bad experience. Now they can’t imagine that any progress has been made since then. There’s not much reason to buy a new TV these days if your old one still works (with an external TV box)

You can still find terrible smart TVs out there, of course, but the newer models from top tier vendors like LG are actually quite good.

I think it’s going to take many years before the angry HN smart TV comments catch up to modern reality.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by glitcher on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:35PM (#28295292)
I think you may be oversimplifying the concerns some have about smart tv's. There is quite a broad range of opinions between different HN commenters, and lumping us all into one group isn't very conducive to discussion.

For me personally, I have basic privacy concerns with how smart tv companies are selling my viewing habits without any transparency. This issue has nothing to do with the "quality" of the tv and its features, and much more to do with the policies of the companies behind the products.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by philjohn on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @05:08AM (#28299415)
The simple solution therefore is just don't connect it to the internet, which is still viable (even though Amazon wants to co-opt everyone's devices for their IoT network).

Don't plug an ethernet cable into it, don't give it your wifi network passcode.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by jmcgough on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:22PM (#28295156)
Some of these comments have a real "old man yells at cloud" vibe. Modern, mid-range or better Smart TVs are great. They let me enjoy streaming content or gaming without wasting time trying to configure something, torrent something, fiddle with subtitles. The newest models offer unparalleled gaming experiences via HDMI 2.1 features.

There's (justifiably) privacy and other concerns on HN, but no one else is aware of those concerns or cares too much. The market has spoken.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by Silhouette on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:40PM (#28295343)
The market has spoken.

Markets only speak when meaningful competition exists. Are you really suggesting that people actively prefer to buy TVs that, for example, suddenly start showing them ads months or years after purchase?

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by kelnos on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @09:11PM (#28297005)
An ad-free experience would almost certainly cost more (consider Amazon's cheaper Kindle that shows ads when the screen goes to sleep). If we're talking about adding even $50 to a $1000 TV, I'd bet most consumers would rather endure the ads and keep the $50.
Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by Silhouette on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @11:45PM (#28297839)
If I were a gambler I would probably take that bet, but the real problem here is that we currently have no way to tell who won because one of the options is not widely available to buyers.
Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @04:43AM (#28299282)
This is why ad-subsidizing is anticompetitive and in my honest opinion, should be banned as a business practice.

Take two competitors selling exact same stuff for the same price. If one adds ads to their product, they can lower the price. If they can ad data collection, the price drops further.

You just can't ethically compete on such market.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by Silhouette on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:09AM (#28300604)
You just can't ethically compete on such market.

I'm not sure that is necessarily true but the buyer making a decision needs to understand the differences between products. IMHO one of the problems right now is that manufacturers using these user-hostile practices don't have to prominently disclose them. Many people probably buy these products completely unaware of aspects they might not like if they knew about them.

If packaging and promotions had to carry prominent warnings about user-hostile practices, that would level the playing field a bit. Better would be if the products themselves had to indicate whenever any sort of monitoring or phone-home system was operating, because that way everyone else using or near them also gets a warning that they might be spied on.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by GoblinSlayer on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @11:52AM (#28303197)
>no one else is aware of those concerns or cares too much. The market has spoken.

It means the market spoke from ignorance, there isn't much value in that speech, the market was deceived.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by jeegsy on Wednesday August 25, 2021 @08:39AM (#28300882)
> The newest models offer unparalleled gaming experiences via HDMI 2.1 features.

As an aside, there is no need for us to talk like heads of the marketing department in casual conversation.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by olyjohn on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:18PM (#28295116)
I don't think so. I think regardless of how good they are... a lot of people don't want to sell their viewing habits in exchange for using an app that you have to pay for to watch shows.
Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by jychang on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:23PM (#28295164)
I mean, most people just use Netflix and Hulu and Plex from their smart TV anyways.

The former 2 are already collecting your viewing habits, and the latter is uncollectable since it's just streaming from your own server.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by Forbo on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:31PM (#28295251)
> the latter is uncollectable since it's just streaming from your own server.

Except smart TVs take screenshots of what you are watching and send it back for content analysis and correlation. So even if all you're doing is using it as a dumb monitor they are still collecting data about you.

Edit: Before someone calls me a tinfoil hat, it's called automatic content recognition, look it up.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by fsckboy on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:50PM (#28295426)
consumerreports privacy "how to turn off smart tv snooping"

https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-to-turn-off-smar...

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by Forbo on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:57PM (#28295496)
Opt-out dark patterns strike again! Even then, it still doesn't shut off all telemetry.
Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by olyjohn on Thursday August 26, 2021 @05:13PM (#28320867)
Sure, but Netflix is collecting my viewing habits about what I watch on Netflix. That makes sense to me. But Netflix isn't collecting my Hulu and Plex habits. The TV is aggregating all of those, which they have no business doing, and selling that. Though now that I think about it, all 3 probably sell your viewing habit data.
Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by labster on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:46PM (#28295392)
> people made up their minds years ago, likely from a single bad experience.

It’s true, I made up my mind in 1984.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by dredmorbius on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @07:00PM (#28296034)
Playin' it old school.

Doubleplusgood.

Re:Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African w... by blibble on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @05:22PM (#28295152)
unless they've stopped adding ads to my other programmes then I'm not plugging the TV back into the internet