That’s not the point that was argued, though. An advertisement doesn’t oblige the advertise to engage in a specific transaction with a customer.
This isn’t uncommon. If you see a house advertised for sale at $500,000, the owners aren’t obligated to sell you the house for $500,000 or even to sell the house at any price. An advertisement alone isn’t a legally binding offer to complete a transaction.
False advertising also requires an intent to deceive or mislead, or at least evidence that the advertiser behaved recklessly in the advertisement. The advertisement is obviously a joke and they wouldn’t be able to find anyone to testify that that PepsiCo actually thought they would be selling a Harrier jet, so proving intent to mislead or reckless behavior would be nearly impossible when the entire premise was a joke.
Regardless, I’m inclined to believe the judge who presided over this case and did the work of reading through all of the legal precedent.
I'm not sure what issue you see with the law here. It seems to both be written and applied quite well. The Pepsi ad isn't really misleading or reckless, and obviously just a bit of fun hyperbole.
Performance can be a method of accepting an offer and can create a contract. However, it's still necessary for there to be an offer and not just a generic solicitation.
It's been a long time since I took my business law classes, so I could be wrong, but I think they part of the test for whether something is false advertising or not is whether a reasonable person would believe the offer is legitimate.
For example, if a dealer has a car worth $20k and they're advertising it for $15k, a reasonable person would probably believe that's a legitimate offer. If that same dealer is advertising that same car for $100, a reasonable person wouldn't believe that is a real offer.
I still don’t know why ISPs and mobile carriers weren’t punished for their “unlimited” data plans. Today, they rely on throttling. However in the past they resorted to worse tactics
In France, they do. If someone shows up and offers the advertised price, the deal is sealed as well. Even for $5m that you don’t have.
If they offer a lower price with conditions and the owner says yes, it is also binding. It can be on a simple free paper, and going through a notary is optional, even if recommended. The only exception is that the purchaser has 10 days of legal withdrawal after signing the contract (only €300 notary costs). The seller can’t withdraw, unless conditions were manually specified. I wasn’t aware of that when I made an offer by email, fortunately the landlord explained me that I should list the exceptions/conditions in my own interest…
While that's probably true, an advertisement does oblige the advertiser to actually be offering those things at the terms advertised to some non-misleading degree. Like, if an advertiser said "selling cars for $500" and they didn't actually have any $500 cars for sale, that's false advertising. If they had cars that were listed at $500, but they refused to sell them to anybody, that would also be false advertising.
> they wouldn’t be able to find anyone to testify that that PepsiCo actually thought they would be selling a Harrier jet
That's irrelevent. What is relevent is whether reasonble viewers outside the company might actually believe that. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for someone who didn't know much about harrier jets to think it might be a plane they could obtain and fly. It doesn't really seem like an "obvious" joke unless you know a lot about harrier jets - which most people don't.
Why?
Yes, but electing not to sell a unique item at an advertised price when a concrete offer is received is not the same thing:
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How does the FTC define "bait and switch" advertising?
It's illegal to advertise a product when the company has no intention of selling that item, but instead plans to sell a consumer something else, usually at a higher price. For more information, ask the FTC for its Guides Against Bait Advertising.
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https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/adv...
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Bait advertising is an alluring but insincere offer to sell a product or service which the advertiser in truth does not intend or want to sell. Its purpose is to switch consumers from buying the advertised merchandise, in order to sell something else, usually at a higher price or on a basis more advantageous to the advertiser. The primary aim of a bait advertisement is to obtain leads as to persons interested in buying merchandise of the type so advertised.
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16 USC § 238.0, https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=69e59fd0c1f4966cfd...
I disagree. I think it very much is the same thing. Unless they had other reasons (other than that they didn't want to honor their advertisement).
Both quotes you wrote down seem to quite clearly apply in this Pepsi case.
It doesn't fit the regulatory definition for two key reasons:
(1) the regulatory definition of bait advertising turns on intent at the time of advertising, not decisions which happen later.
(2) the regulatory definition also turns on the intent being not to sell the thing adveritsed; even if the intent in advance is to sell it on different terms, that is not “bait advertising” (it may br prohibited by some other law or rule in some cases.)
> Both quotes you wrote down seem to quite clearly apply in this Pepsi case.
Even if you could construe the ad as an offer to sell anything, it wasn’t an offer to sell one thing to lure people in and sell them something else.
(And, of course, the Court already ruled in the case, in adjudicating a different claim to which the same question was relevant, that it couldn’t be reasonably viewed as an offer at all.)
2) They did indeed not ever intend to sell the thing advertised. So again, what are you talking about?
I dunno man, I guess I just disagree.
And I told you I think they were wrong.
> Even if that wasn't the case, what is the substitute product?
All of the other garbage they sold for Pepsi points...
And the court ruled that no one could reasonably view it as an offer to make the jet available as a reward.
Even if that wasn't the case, what is the substitute product?
> Even if that wasn't the case, what is the substitute product?
All of the other garbage they sold for Pepsi points...
Clearly they wanted to lure people in to sell them Pepsi cans...
>you'd have to show that the plan all along was to use the initial offer as bait in order to draw a buyer into some other deal.
I mean, its pretty obvious that their plan is to use the excitement of the harrier jet to lure people into buying pepsi and pepsi points. The question really becomes: might a reasonable person believe that they're actually selling the jet. I would say its quite likely. I think this is bad precendent.
False advertising is a rather narrow doctrine, one that by necessity has to interact with standard contract law. Cases where false advertising involves prices usually include issues like hidden fees (telecoms signing you up for X a month but then your bill includes Y fees that weren't disclosed to you). More commonly, false advertising concerns things like consumer deception - claims that something is "clinically proven" when it actually isn't, for instance.
In general, in contract law, if the changed price is communicated to you before you have accepted the offer, then there's no issue. There are literally hundreds of years of precedent going back to the English common law describing what does and does not constitute an offer and what does and doesn't constitute acceptance of an offer.
Etc, etc etc.
The list goes on and on, but one thing is for sure- you will never get a car at the advertised price.
no, the money was for the points, the points were for merch selected from the catalog. Not giving him the points was actually false advertising.
The article says the judge ruled it was not a binding offer for 3 reasons: 1. Advertisements are generally not considered offers in contract law. 2. The ad was obviously a joke. 3. An enforceable contract requires both parties’ signatures.
Which may seem to apply, but this was an offer to add a guarantee to the terms. Whereas merely advertising a price is just an invitation for the buyer to make you an offer. Here is an almost as famous case.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_Society_of_GB...
I am not surprised our fellow common law jurisdictions like the US reached the same conclusion.
The case law that makes up English civil law, especially the early stuff is really fascinating stuff to me. IANAL but understanding the contact law from these cases has won me several disputes in my professional life.
This really doesn't jive with what I know about contract law, so I checked the article, and it is more specific:
An enforceable contract requires both parties’ signatures: Under existing law, any contract for the sale of goods worth $500+ must be evidenced by writing; Pepsi did not sign anything.
Still, was Pepsi really selling something for more than $500? It's an exchange for Pepsi points (not cash), and even though you can buy them, are they equivalent to cash? Also, on top of that, has anyone signed anything the last time they bought a $500+ laptop, PS5 bundle, unlocked cell phone, etc.?
I know a contract has to meet all elements of a contact to actually be a contract, so the other 2 reasons are enough, but this 3rd reason seems out of place, given the situation and even what I learned in my contact law class.
The Pepsi points were irrelevant here. If he had spent a ton of money to make equivalent Pepsi points then maybe there would be a case here.
*obvious to any reasonable person.
I understand the fact that you believe your opinion is reasonable... It sounds like you also understand that the world broadly disagrees with you. A federal judge (Kimba Wood, no less!) disagreed with you... Since there was no appeal, I'd gather that the guy couldn't find funds to continue his suit--so his backers seem to have disagreed, too.
Is there a reason why you're more willing to believe in the idea that "All these people, including experienced legal minds, must be wrong", rather than "My own layman's intuition about the law must wrong"?
I'm asking because I genuinely don't understand why you'd want to continue backing your POV in the face of evidence to the contrary. I may have missed something, and I'm curious what your thought process looks like.
Consider this my pedantic contribution to a discussion about a pedantic case.
I'm inclined to be more protective about false advertising and all... but not the the point of absurdity where we demand they provide someone a fighter jet... or $33m for $700,000 as compensation.
Whatever we might feel about advertising, that result would be absurd and solve nothing.
This is simply wrong.
It was rejected because the particular ad did not (for a variety of reasons cited in the ruling) make an offer that was open to be accepted by the action by which he purported to accept the purported offer, so there was no contract [0], nor was it legally fraud, since Pepsi never cashed the check.
Ads, more generally, may or may not create offers open to acceptance by action.
> False advertising is explicitly against the law
False advertising is different than advertising creating a forward obligations; an advertisement is false or not when presented. OTOH, the puffery reasoning applied in the fraud claim in the Harrier case would also apply to a false advertising claim.
[0] while the thing its cited for is puffery, its worth noting that, even if puffery was off the table, the purported subject matter of the agreement would have required a written agreement signed by the parties under the Statute of Frauds to form a valid contract, and obviously no such written agreement existed.
So maybe if the guy had actually first obtained all the point, then demanded the jet, the suit might have come out differently?
> cited for is puffery
I'm no expert on puffery, but if the definition on wikipedia is correct, it doesn't seem like its puffery because it doesn't express "subjective views" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery . Offering a jet for points is a pretty objective statement.
> the purported subject matter of the agreement would have required a written agreement signed by the parties
Perhaps that's what would be needed for this to be fraud, but a contract certainly wouldn't be necessary to accuse them of bait-and-switch.
No, a valid contract was a requirement of the breach of contract claim, not the fraud claim.
> but a contract certainly wouldn't be necessary to accuse them of bait-and-switch.
Bait-and-switch isn't a legal cause of action. The usual cause of action for things described as bait and switch is either breach of contract (if there was an agreement) or fraud (if the bait-and-switcher got something of value from the other party out of it). Both were raised in this case, and both failed.
That seems pretty dumb to me. Then you're telling me it not actually illegal? There's no way to enforce advertisers not from doing a bait and switch? Count me skeptical.
There is a regulatory category called “Bait advertising” created under FTC’s legal authority related to deceptive advertising, and various legal causes of action (mainly fraud and breach of contract, but there are others) that each cover some part of what might be described as “bait and switch” in casual conversation. “Bait and switch” is something that different people will have different boundaries around and has no hard and fast definition.
Also, the article makes clear that plaintiff chose a legal strategy closer to contract breach than false advertising.
Advertisements are generally not considered offers in contract law: “Ads for the sale of goods (TV, radio, newspaper, newsletter)… are merely the requests to offer or negotiate” and an advertiser must accept an offer from a customer for it to be legally formed.
The ad was obviously a joke: An “ordinary, reasonable person” would conclude that a soft drink company would not give away a fighter plane as part of a promotion.
An enforceable contract requires both parties’ signatures: Under existing law, any contract for the sale of goods worth $500+ must be evidenced by writing; Pepsi did not sign anything.
If they sent a leather jacket for 1450 points and a mountain bike for 3500, then it seems to me that it is against the public interest to allow a company to make such offers and then rescind them arbitrarily.
That's why we get small print saying things like "screens are simulated" and "not actual size" and "while supplies last" or "at participating stores only" -- because without those disclaimers, we should be able to rely on statements about prices, promotions and availability.
If they'd advertise a can for 99ct and make a can look like 1l when it is in fact only 0.5l you could reasonably say that one could've expected 1l cans - these cans exist and this would not be out of the ordinary, even though a bit cheaper than usual. If the can in the advertisement would be the size of a truck, it would be hard to argue that you really thought you would get that for 99ct.
If they offer something that is a) very rare, b) insanely expensive and c) not allowed to be owned by a private person, I find it very hard to argue that one could reasonably think this is an actual offer.
I agree with you that we should not give companies endless leeway to deceive customers, but let's not discard common sense.
Here's an NPR article about a guy who has one: https://www.npr.org/2014/07/27/335839280/sold-harrier-jump-j...
Great to know! Yet another reason not to feel even a little bit bad when I block them.