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Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by contravariant on Saturday August 14, 2021 @12:16PM (#28181806)
Not sure there ever was a real shortage in toilet paper. I mean sure the stores ran out at some point, but that's mostly because you can only realistically have so many toilet paper in the store at once, so if people buy more for whatever insane reason then it's going to run out soon. The supply didn't ever run into any issues as far as I can tell.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by raspasov on Saturday August 14, 2021 @12:21PM (#28181855)
There might have been a short-term panic over-buying plus the fact that everybody all of a sudden was staying home (and *ahem*, going to the toilet at home more) as opposed to going to the office. That's just a hypothesis, I haven't looked at any data. But your point is essentially correct, I assume it just takes a bit of time to shift the supply from commercial/business channels (delivering to office buildings in the city) to consumer ones (delivering to stores like Costco, Walmart, etc).
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by klyrs on Saturday August 14, 2021 @01:05PM (#28182213)
> ... staying home (and ahem, going to the toilet at home more) as opposed to going to the office.

From what I understand, this was the real driver of the shortage. The toilet paper manufacturers had to retool for home-size rolls to meet demand, where they were previously making tons of office-size rolls. Highly efficient manufacturing processes don't turn on a dime.

Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by lazide on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:36PM (#28182944)
Also, most offices buy super terrible toilet paper (like 1 ply, thinner than a tissue). I don’t know if it is to discourage pooping on the company dime or what, but I don’t know if any individuals that would be ok with buying that for their own use. So retooling in more than just roll size/length probably also needed to happen.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by dmoy on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:57PM (#28183086)
> I don’t know if it is to discourage pooping on the company dime or what

It's because it doesn't clog toilets as much. If you stock two ply in an office, people will do unspeakable things with their literal shit, and it's just not good times.

I worked in one place that switched briefly to more home-style twoply, and we very quickly switched back. It wasn't because of the cost. It was because of the poop. Everywhere. All the poop.

Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by syshum on Saturday August 14, 2021 @03:41PM (#28183423)
In some cases that is result of super super low flow fixtures + bad pressure.

Commercial fixtures need higher pressure than a home fixture, and sometimes the office building can not provide proper pressure, combined with wanting under a gallon of water per flush and well bad things happen

Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by syshum on Saturday August 14, 2021 @01:37PM (#28182492)
The shortages came too quickly to claim it was just WFH unless people generally only buy enough to get by for a week at a time..

I generally restock on paper goods like that ever 3-6 months, not weekly...

Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by SECProto on Saturday August 14, 2021 @03:17PM (#28183222)
If everyone buys for a month at a time, it would be spread out over that month. With lockdowns, people bought more than usual, and everyone was trying to buy it at the same time rather than spread out. And then people heard about shortages and it just reinforced it - people who still had a month worth at home would throw another package in the care "just in case".
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by ghaff on Saturday August 14, 2021 @03:42PM (#28183435)
As I recall, even though I normally keep pretty well stocked with paper goods and other staples, I did a shopping trip right before everything went a bit crazy and definitely picked up some additional reserves just in case. It certainly wasn't prepping levels but enough to throw off stocking levels if everyone did what I did during the first month or three. I still have a 10 pound bag of flour which I would normally never buy but it's what was there of my preferred brand at one point when shelves were a bit scant.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by chihuahua on Saturday August 14, 2021 @07:21PM (#28184778)
Getting a bidet attachment for my toilet was a game-changer for me. Now I feel deprived when I go on a vacation and have to deal with regular toilets again.

One benefit is that I use a fraction of the amount of toilet paper.

Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by lazide on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:34PM (#28182932)
A lot of people (especially in apartments), do buy a week at a time - not the weirdest or craziest thing I guess, but definitely not something I would be comfortable doing!
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by klyrs on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:22PM (#28182846)
I shouldn't have said the driver. The initial panic-buys were definitely what kicked it off. The need for retooling is what sustained the shortage for months despite rationing by grocery stores.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by scott_s on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:18PM (#28182817)
Even if people bought for just the next week, they had to buy more, because now they were using their toilet at home, exclusively. Everyone buying more at once caused a real shortage.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by bdcravens on Saturday August 14, 2021 @12:32PM (#28181938)
I don't believe it's that pragmatic. There's a great sense of the unknown, as if society will totally shut down. After all, you don't see people shop the same way when they plan to be home for a while (vacations, kids not going to school during the summer, etc)
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by lazide on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:58PM (#28183090)
It can be both. I personally think of uncertainty like the exponent of the function for buying. More uncertainty, higher value exponentially.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by FearlessNebula on Saturday August 14, 2021 @04:54PM (#28183858)
Do people really go at the office on a regular enough basis to have an impact like that on the supply chain?
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by xxxtentachyon on Saturday August 14, 2021 @07:12PM (#28184726)
If people are drinking coffee at work, then absolutely
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by scott_s on Saturday August 14, 2021 @05:07PM (#28183955)
Yes.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by javagram on Saturday August 14, 2021 @12:18PM (#28181828)
There was still supply of “toilet paper” but not of the kind that was sold in the store. Normally large amounts of commercial paper was sold but that wasn’t in grocery stores and sales stopped because of offices closing. Things got figured out eventually both as panic buying subsided and some commercial paper (single rolls, etc) was diverted to the grocery store supply chain.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by scott_s on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:16PM (#28182804)
Correct; there was a market shift, where all of the demand for commercial toilet paper went to consumer toilet paper. Because of that shift, there was a real shortage in consumer toilet paper. Unfortunately, the myth that this shortage was entirely an induced panic seems to have caught on. For more, see https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/4/3/21206942/toilet-paper...
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by bsder on Saturday August 14, 2021 @09:44PM (#28185535)
> Unfortunately, the myth that this shortage was entirely an induced panic

People don't get that even a 25% jump in consumption is going to take quite a while to rattle through our optimized supply chains.

Everything has been optimized to the penny for exactly the consumption as it exists--and not a whit more. Inventory anywhere is seen as a dire business failing to be eradicated. As such, there is zero cushion against even small demand changes.

Maximally efficient is minimally robust.

Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by jessaustin on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:42PM (#28182987)
The rational reaction to the TP event was to install one of those bidet seats on one's toilet. I haven't bought a roll since.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by mschuster91 on Saturday August 14, 2021 @07:24PM (#28184802)
Serious question - how do you get your butt dry without toilet paper? I got a bidet seat too and my TP consumption hasn't gone down, but at least my butt finally feels so clean now...
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by yourapostasy on Sunday August 15, 2021 @05:43AM (#28187474)
> ...how do you get your butt dry without toilet paper?

Towel, or get a bidet with an air drying option (but few models have effective dryers, so shop carefully).

I have yet to find a comparison of embedded energy costs between bidet dryers and a supply of cotton towels, but I wager towels will win out when taking into account bidets breaking down. As far as I can tell, they're very repair-hostile designs, and would love to find a manufacturer that stocks all the parts for their models for a long time.

Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by rolleiflex on Saturday August 14, 2021 @03:42PM (#28183433)
Except right at the same time the bidet seats were also out of stock everywhere. I scored one by being slightly earlier to wake up to what’s happening, but I know many friends that weren’t able to pick one up.
Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by chihuahua on Saturday August 14, 2021 @07:24PM (#28184800)
I'm glad I finally got one, it's an amazing improvement.

I waited for a long time because I thought I needed an outlet to plug it in (for warm water), but it turns out that cold water is totally fine. So you just attach it to the existing valve right next to the toilet. It's fairly easy and not expensive (< $100)

Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by pedrocr on Saturday August 14, 2021 @02:06PM (#28182738)
Having gone through that on the supply side it was a manufactured crisis. When news organizations were still waiting for the first COVID19 cases to happen in their country they would run fluff stories from other places. A very common one was the toilet paper shortage. They probably got some intern to write it sloppily so in some it wasn't even clear that the photos and examples were from a different country. That drove people to rush to stores and hoard creating a self-fulfilling phrophecy as no grocery store will keep too many days of stock of toilet paper as it has too much volume. That this then happened in more places made it even more of a story and it sort of snowballed.

The fact that people were now at home and using different types of paper than what offices use was as far as I can tell a very small factor, it was mostly panic hoarding.

Re:There Is a Tennis Ball Shortage Too Now by jjav on Sunday August 15, 2021 @02:44AM (#28186705)
> Not sure there ever was a real shortage in toilet paper.

I mean the shortage was very real and lasted a long time. Here (outskirts of Silicon Valley) I couldn't find toilet paper in any local store at any time for a few months. Later I was able to buy one (max limit) only at closing time when they started stocking shelves, at any other time of day there was none to be had. The shelves were mostly empty of paper into 2021. It's only the last ~6 months that it is reliably available again.