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Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by alistairSH on Monday August 02, 2021 @10:27AM (#28036943)
Honest question - where do professional tradesmen buy their tools?

Mechanics (auto, airline) don't normally go to HD or Lowes - they buy from SnapOn, Cromwell, or Mac - all three send salespeople in large box trucks full of tools to work site. And all three offer credit and payment plans. And when tools break, those trucks come by with replacements.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by throwaway0a5e on Monday August 02, 2021 @10:47AM (#28037193)
Tool truck these days are for suckers and everyone under 35-40 knows it (everyone over 40 knows it too but fewer of them will admit it). Back in the day the price differential was less and the quality differential was more and a lot of people are stuck int their ways. People will still pay for tool truck convenience when they need to though. Most people have a mix of everything from Harbor Freight to Craigslist/ebay/pawnshop to tool truck to Home Depot to Amazon. Nobody is really buying expensive tools on the regular because that's a lot of money. People will generally buy expensive power tools when they see a good sale or have a specific job to justify it.

The white collar internet loves to blindly fetishize "quality" tools but professionals are always trying to strike a balance because every buck spent on overhead is a buck you're not getting paid and having breadth of tools is often more important than quantity since having the right tool matters a lot more than having a nice tool and if you don't buy nice tools you can afford to have the right tool more often. For secondary "luxury" tools that just make a job faster (like a ratcheting box wrench) many people buy the cheap stuff whereas tools you only use when you really need them (like flare nut wrenches) tend to be higher quality.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by sokoloff on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:01AM (#28037381)
I worked for years with Craftsman and Husky (and some Harbor Freight) hand tools. I later splurged for some secondhand SnapOn ratchets. They are unquestionably better and totally worth the difference in price to me. Similar story with Wera screwdrivers being noticeably better than Craftsman.

I still buy some Harbor Freight tools, especially if I only need it for a one-off job, but the higher-end tool names are often genuinely better, not just higher priced.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by throwaway0a5e on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:13AM (#28037619)
You never get more than you pay for but you can always get less.

Whether a fancy ratchet is worth it depends a lot on how much you use your impact wrench. People tend to buy high end versions of the tools they use the most. There's plenty of professional roofers who have a $400 nail guns that weigh nothing and a couple clunky old HF framing guns on the truck. An electrician probably has a pawn shop or harbor freight hammer drill. The plumber probably has a nice hammer drill.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by michaelt on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:52PM (#28040150)
Oh, expensive tools are very nice, certainly.

But if you're a young guy just getting started in a trade, and you can choose between a cheap socket set plus two dates with your girlfriend, or a premium socket set? 9/10 guys would choose the former.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by kevin_thibedeau on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:56AM (#28038338)
Go watch the Project Farm torque wrench test where the Harbor Freight was more accurate than Snapoff.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by rpcope1 on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:17PM (#28039573)
It's not totally inconceivable that there are Harbor Freight torque wrenches that are initially is on par with a CDI, Precision Instruments (both of whom Snap-On rebrand), or the Tech-Angle with regards to torque accuracy, but good luck ever getting a reputable metrology shop to touch a Harbor Freight torque wrench (or one that isn't American made, for that matter) when it inevitably comes time to do a re-calibration.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by namibj on Monday August 02, 2021 @02:11PM (#28040465)
Not even like Knipex, Wera, or a similar German tool company?
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by rpcope1 on Monday August 02, 2021 @05:49PM (#28043128)
If it's manufactured in a western country, it's probably fine, I don't think you see too many like that here in the U.S.

It's usually either American, Taiwanese or Chinese, and a reputable shop like Angle Repair, for example, absolutely will not touch a Chinese torque wrench, and might only ever touch a Taiwanese torque wrench if it's a warrantied item on one of their supported brands, and probably only with some arm twisting on the part of the vendor they're doing warranty work for.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by munificent on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:08PM (#28039429)
> The white collar internet loves to blindly fetishize "quality" tools

I don't know how much this is fetishizing versus simply having different priorities.

White collar tech people using tools are more likely to be doing so for hobby or recreation. They have spare money and their goal is a maximally enjoyable experience. With those priorities, it makes sense to buy better tools than you could justify economically.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by alistairSH on Monday August 02, 2021 @02:05PM (#28040382)
The white collar internet loves to blindly fetishize "quality" tools but professionals are always trying to strike a balance because every buck spent on overhead is a buck you're not getting paid

That certainly wasn't my intention. My last roommate was an auto mechanic, then later a SnapOn dealer. He and the techs at the shops he serviced had massive rolling carts that cost $20k+ filled with another $30k in tools.

Certainly there were some cheaper tools in those carts, but as far as I could tell, they were mostly SnapOn or Mac.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by jccooper on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:07PM (#28038496)
The building trades mostly go to the big box home centers just like the rest of us. In construction, most hand tools aren't high precision and are semi-disposable, so there's no reason to go above prosumer grade.

There are some specialty tools that are sufficiently rare or expensive they'll get at trade-specific supply houses. Plumbers in particular can do the job either with a $5 saw and a bottle of glue or a $500 PEX expansion tool, depending on material.

The exception is something like high-end finish carpentry or furniture-making, which is high-precision, and does reward having professional tools and taking care of them. They have brands like Festool, which are available at specialty retailers.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by sonofhans on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:38PM (#28039944)
When I was gutting/rebuilding my kitchen years ago, I had an unexpected water leak. I’d driven a screw into a PEX line while installing cabinet bases (I missed installing one cover plate before I drywalled). I’d done most of the plumbing myself, but didn’t have the PEX expander tool you mention, just because they’re so expensive.

I called my plumber late in the day and he stopped by on the way home from another gig. He didn’t have the tool on him, so instead he spent about 15 minutes forcing the handle of a socket wrench into the PEX so he could manually cram in a connector. It was remarkable, like watching someone tear a phone book in half. PEX is tough as hell.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by 0xffff2 on Monday August 02, 2021 @10:38AM (#28037080)
I can't speak for other trades, but I have enough experience doing carpentry (mostly on the side, but paid) to say that Home Depot/Lowes/Local equivalent building supply stores are where carpenters and general contractors buy their tools, or at least that we're buying the same models that are available at Home Depot regardless of source.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by alistairSH on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:06AM (#28037469)
Interesting. In my limited experience with pneumatic tools, SnapOn is much higher quality than the brands available at big box stores. Probably not worth it for typical homeowners, but my old roommate ran a SnapOn truck.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by dylan604 on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:33AM (#28037981)
My dad's company was hired to do work inside a facility that made sockets. At the end of the line where the sockets were being prepared for packaging, the sockets would get separated and sent down various lines where they were stamped with brand info like Craftsmen, SnapOn, Husky, etc. They were all the exact same socket. It's not like they ones that passed a 16 point QA went to SnapOn, the ones that only passed 12/16 points were stamped Craftsman, and the ones with lesser scores stamped Husky. They were all identical.

If the sockets were this way, I would also expect that to be the same across the things like wrenches as well. The great thing about SnapOn is that truck. They will show up without the need for you to go somewhere. Their warranty wasn't any different than Craftsman's life time warranty, except you had to find a Sears.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by drewzero1 on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:38PM (#28038995)
I recently had the opportunity to take apart somebody else's MAC battery-operated impact wrench, and found it was exactly the same as the DeWalt one on my bench. It's just molded in red plastic instead of yellow. The advertised torque rating is slightly higher than the DeWalt, so maybe there's a subtle component difference in the (epoxy-potted) motor control module. I hope the guy didn't pay too much extra for it though.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by olyjohn on Monday August 02, 2021 @06:49PM (#28043687)
Anecdotally, I use my Harbor Freight (non-impact) sockets on my impact gun. I've never broken one. I've broken tons of Craftsman sockets with far less force.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by 0xffff2 on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @01:55PM (#28052083)
I have never once in my life seen SnapOn tools on a job sight.

Kind of beside the point, but you don't really even see pneumatics in construction much anymore. The _only_ pneumatic tool on my current project is my framing nailer. Every single other power tool is electric (mostly battery). Some companies are even making battery powered framing nailers now, and my corded worm drive saw finally broke after 15 years so I think I'll be upgrading to a battery powered saw in the near future. In a few years, I expect I'll be able to frame a house with entirely battery powered tools.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by aeturnum on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:42AM (#28038126)
SnapOn is famously desirable and expensive. I think part of this is that there are very few truly "premium" construction tools because, well, they are used in construction. Your drills and saws and the like are expected to get beat up and may need replacing. You may need more tools if you get more workers one day and fewer tools the next. Obviously there is still a range in quality and I'm sure we've all noticed the difference between a good name brand tool and a more budget option, but I think the ceiling is intentionally kinda low.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by ToFundorNot on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:59AM (#28038389)
Small construction tools (drills, portable table saws, angle grinders) is largely done at big box stores, however smaller stores sell a fair amount, plus specialty product, but the bread and butter small tools are big box stores. Quality is the same, and prices are generally lower.

Shop equipment used to be done by trade show, not sure how it works these days.

Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by namelessoracle on Monday August 02, 2021 @10:34AM (#28037034)
When tools break and they need them today (because the job needs to be finished today because there isnt time on the schedule next week to go back to this job site, also most customers get upset if you leave their home in a state of disrepair....), they DO go to HD or Lowes.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by moftz on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:04AM (#28037443)
All the contractors I've had at my house usually have Dewalt electric tools. I think it's a convenience factor, they are already going to Home Depot during their lunch hour anyway to buy whatever small thing they need to finish the job.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by reportingsjr on Monday August 02, 2021 @10:33AM (#28037019)
My brother and father are high end renovation carpenter's, as far as I'm aware they typically get tools at Home Depot or similar places.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by rpcope1 on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:11PM (#28039482)
Fastenal is one of the places you'll probably see tradesmen buying tools and hardware. They certainly sell stuff that's several notches above what you can get at a big box store (both tools and hardware), and it's geared to be more friendly to those that know what they're doing.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by wastedhours on Monday August 02, 2021 @10:44AM (#28037159)
Depends on the tool and the usecase - our contractors always had proper pro-level drills and powertools, but their handtools (especially more consumable ones that get lost during day to days when they're mobile, like screwdrivers and stuff) looked to be from DIY stores.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by orthoxerox on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:11PM (#28039487)
Well, the guys that built my shed/workshop/mancave had the cheapest big box store power tools and a hammer that looked (and likely was) older than me. I've never seen anyone brandish one of those 36 or 40V batteries either.
Re:Home Depot is introducing power tools that won’t work if ... by mauvehaus on Monday August 02, 2021 @01:20PM (#28039628)
There's a whole parallel universe of suppliers out there. Some stuff comes from muggle stores like Home Depot or Lowes because they're ubiquitous or the tools are sufficiently interchangeable or some wizard brand gets stocked there anyway (Klein, for instance).

Good stuff largely comes from wizard stores. They're mostly locally owned or small, regional chains with a few national chains most muggles haven't heard of. Electrical stuff comes from Needco, Rexel, and Graybar where I live. I bought some Klein screwdrivers at a Rexel, because Klein (and maybe Wera) are the last ones making decent screwdrivers generally and cabinet-tip screwdrivers specifically.

They were $9-$10 a piece instead of that much for a set, but they're made right, and they're readily available if you know where to look.

My handheld power tools mostly come from lumber yards or local hardware stores. And I happily pay more for Makita over DeWalt, Milwaukee, Rigid, etc from the box stores. Not looking to start a flame war over who makes better tools, but the Makita stuff is consistently excellent and priced fairly for the quality.

I've probably used a wider variety of routers than any other type of tool, and it's true that you get what you pay for, especially for plunge routers. The plunge action is just smoother and more precise as you go up in price. Bosch also makes a pretty good one, for what it's worth.

Though I build furniture, not houses, I end up shopping at a lot of the same places as carpenters. You consistently see Festool for handheld power tools (and I do own a Domino), Stabila for levels, Freud, Whiteside and/or Amanda for router bits, Freud or Forrest for saw blades, and Tajima for a wide variety of layout and hand tools. Tajima makes an outstanding chalk line and the nicest caulk gun I've ever laid my eyes on.

You might see Freud router bits at a box store, but never the selection that a wizard store stocks. You'll pay more, but the sales people know their stuff, and you can get it today, not tomorrow. That's worth a couple bucks if time is money. Incidentally, Freud also makes the Diablo saw blades that you find at box stores, and they're excellent value for the money.

Tools truly specific to furniture making are usually a specialist supplier. You can buy an approximation if a combination square or marking gauge at a box store, but it'll be less irritating to just take your money and light it on fire. Woodcraft and Rockler both have decent stuff if you're near a brick and mortar location. If you aren't, they sell online as does Highland Hardware, and a bunch of other vendors.

How do you know if you're in a wizard store or a muggle store? Wizard stores usually keep hours that reflect the fact that most of their customers are there during their workday, not on their time off. If a store closes by 5:30 and aren't open on the weekend, guaranteed they're a wizard store.