...actually, I'd *VASTLY* rather pay a small monthly fee to a small number of writers I care about, than a larger fee for a collection of writers that I don't.
More to the point, I am doing that, and a fair number of other people are too. If baffles me to see someone advancing the argument that "people don't want to..." and then listing something which people are very much currently choosing to do. Many people want to do exactly that! (Although I think we agree that the number of people is unlikely to be enough to be truly disruptive.)
> Maybe Substack will go the Medium way and try to aggregate
Very possibly, but if so, I expect the people enjoying their current business model will simply migrate to a competitor. $5/month for a writer I truly love is a reasonable ask. $5/month split across six writers, only one of whom I particular care for is in many ways less attractive; I may be getting more writing but the writer is getting less.
Aggregation is not obviously the only business model that makes sense here, and I think Medium - and come to that, the news industry as a whole - shows off its weaknesses very clearly.
I think the real weakness of Substack is not that "nobody wants what they're selling", but that they have very little moat. Substack doesn't need to worry that Yglesias will realise that actually he hates making more money than the entire NYT editorial board combined and quits blogging to go back to the traditional media; Substack needs to worry that he'll jump to his own platform and avoid their fairly hefty monthly cut.
This is the norm, I think. Surprise surprise nobody really wants the shopping channel or the landline that comes with their broadband either.
Newspapers are well aware of the threats of unbundling. It's one of the reasons why the Economist doesn't have bylines, for instance: writers have to remain a commodity.
While, in theory, picking and choosing for opinion/analysis (as opposed to news) is valid, in practice there are limits. It basically works for me with video streaming because I'm fine with having a limited number of streaming sources. I'm not sure I would be with $1/month for newsletters much less pay-per-article.
A position they held steadfast to when newspapers unionized and it became the norm. Their reliance on surprisingly young journalists (kind of like consultancy bodyshops that recruit out of uni) is one reason they were able to avoid them.
Newspapers have often been threatened by their more popular contributors leaving and taking subscribers with them.
They'd therefore never introduce bylines if they had the leverage relative to their journalists to avoid it just as McDonalds wouldnt offer free daycare if it werent struggling to hire and tech wouldnt offer free food and lavish comps.
>Your point--that reporting shouldn't be primarily about individual credibility
That doesnt seem like a point I would ever make.
I mean, you can justify it "in principle" however you like, the economics boil down to the relative leverage of management and journalists. Bylines function as an asset (reputation) that journalists can, in a sense, capitalize and gives them the leverage to take subscribers elsewhere allowing them to negotiate a greater share of the newspaper revenue (lowering profits).
If tech has a bad decade no doubt theyll suddenly "realize" that free breakfasts arent doing them any favors and scale them back.
I can easily get “the news” like you have access to TV or YouTube with similar content to streaming sites. But if you want niche subjects or specific voices, then sub stack subscriptions for the niches you care about makes sense
But Substack content seems to be much more about "voices" as you put it and that I'm far less interested in.
When there's only three channels or a single local newspaper, you get content that is appealing or at least acceptable to the mass market. The smaller the market, the more extreme the content. When you get to the level of individual writers, I think there's an inevitable radicalization when people only pay for content that really really targets their idiosyncratic interests.
Do you have any evidence to support this claim? I don’t think this is true.
The New York Times alone has 7m paying subscribers (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/business/media/new-york-t...). The cheapest subscription is 50c per week, so that's at least $182m revenue per year (in fact that's an introductory offer and the standard rate is four times that).
But Substack is growing! Yes, but so is NYT. In fact it signed up half a million new subscribers, double Substack's total, in the first quarter of 2020 alone (https://www.niemanlab.org/2020/05/the-new-york-times-success...).
Maybe the NYT is too ambitious a target. OK: the LA Times, which is "in crisis", has 356,000 digital subscribers (https://www.thewrap.com/los-angeles-times-crisis-stalled-sub...).
So, I'd say your argument is not proven yet. Wanna take a bet on when Substack total subscriptions will overtake the NYT?
We’d need 10x that number, pay like 60 writers if we want to read articles that have actual research on a weekly basis, not a daily basis.
They don't. The problem is, they don't fit in ANYWHERE. Nobody wants to pay for that, and in fact, nobody ever has. As has been documented ad infinitum at this point, serious, long form, investigative journalism has always been cross-subsidised from other revenue streams, because at no point has their been an audience willing to pay the actual cost of investigative journalism.
Traditionally the funds came from advertising, particularly classified ads, but classified ad revenue died...what, over two decades ago now? Print advertisement revenue followed, the weird shift so many newspapers tried into video was an embarrassing disaster, and here we are, 20+ years of flailing later and no replacements visible.
Will Substack solve this? Absolutely not. Hell, by continuing the great unbundling it might make it worse by undermining the revenue stream for the 2-3 newspapers still trying to make a go of it.
Which is, ultimately, my point: Your argument seems to be "unbundling will fail, because it won't pay for the high quality journalism people want". My argument is "unbundling will succeed, because people don't want to pay for high quality journalism".
And substack is just another platform for people with grudges and conspiracy theories to promote themselves on.
You need dozens or hundreds of substitutable writers under a single roof if you're reporting factual updates about a concrete situation as quickly as possible. Natural disasters, elections, sports, law changes, etc. Substack is for analysis and commentary. Traditional newspapers also bundle a handful of "superstar" writers along with their news, but many of those writers aren't very good and especially in the past 8 years many of the better ones have been purged because the best analysis requires free thinking, but free thinking is incompatible with a hard left takeover of an institution. It's no coincidence that Substack's top earning writers like Greenwald, Taibbi, Scott Alexander have all been purged from other media outlets for their un-woke writing: there is demand for such analysis but newspapers are trying to extinguish it. In Taibbi's case he was pushed out of the media outlet he himself founded! Substack is now monetizing this demand, apparently, very successfully (the deals they cut with those writers have supposedly all been very profitable for Substack).
Now we're in the internet. There are no such constraints. Why not just pay directly per article?
Spotify for example collects money but distributes it to artists, per-listen. Spotify has basically almost all the music in the world. And other services have it too. Anybody can upload to Spotify or Apple Music or Tidal or what you have. So Spotify is not really doing curating or having a quality standards or an editor anything, like a newspaper, it's just a way to collect and distribute money.
There is the still-unloved problem of curation. You could use humans for good curation but discoverability is quite bad.
(Edit: yes in the newspaper world there is the syndication, Reuters, AFP etc, too, and staff writers etc, it's a bit more complicated.)
Micropayments really suffer from this constantly. So much so that I think the value of the content goes negative once you factor in the costs to decide if you want to pay for it and then the costs of paying for it (mostly not monetary costs). Individual subscriptions (aka Patreon) bulk them all together at once and will just keep happening so you better keep on top of them.
The main alternative that doesn't quite suffer from this is the model of a single payment that gets smeared automatically across everything. I chuck in $X/month and it gets automatically distributed to all the sites I've visted somehow. I think this suffers from different problems. Namely that I probably don't want to pay in proportion to time spent or pages viewed but value. My money would probably end up largely going to the big companies and not so much to the little guys, while I'd probably personally choose the opposite proportions. And other times there are websites you've visited that you definitely don't want to give money to, because they managed to SEO their utterly useless page into your search results, or whatever. So now you have to go deal with that, or else pay them for troubling you.
And then before long you've gotten so deep into engineering how this payment gets distributed that you're practically at the level of micropayments anyway.
And then you start considering things like privacy, or issues with payment processors caring about content and... it all just gets far too messy.
And then you have the streaming video issue. Aggregator A has this writer but not that writer, etc.
What's different about news and music is that there's not so much interest in the back catalog in news. So publishers could have less power than record companies.
Regarding streaming, again, that's only a problem if there is exclusivity.
You do have that with syndicated columns, cartoons, wire service copy, etc. Although the NYT uses less of that sort of content than many papers do.
It's a different topology from Spotify and Apple Music.
Because it's music, and not written text, and thus on in the background, having an 80/20 (or whatever) split for old/new music was really great for discovering new music that's similar.
TikTok solved discoverability for brief video clips, but they demand full attention. Basically the opposite of music.
Discoverability for the written word is a bit more complex, especially for long form articles.
(Pandora's backend implementation irrelevant here. Pandora predates the popularity of ML, so I presume there was a lot of human effort going on behind the scenes to make it work so well.)
If I want to listen to Lady Gaga, I can do that from any of the music services. The artist gets a cut from my monthly payment to whichever service I use.
If I want to read an article about traveling to Iceland during Covid times and it's in Washington Post while I subscribe to the New York Times, I can't, unless I subscribe to the Washington Post.
Maybe a writer writing to NYT does get money according to the amount of clicks to their article. Some articles can even be free and the money comes from ad revenue. But it's still a small walled garden. People just don't get to see many well written articles because they are locked behind this small garden paywall and most people don't want to pay the entrance fee.
How about a "Writer Money Distribution service". People could subscribe to it. You could build a curated edited newspaper out of such articles, if you wanted. But a user could also read any article, and they would know that their monthly money would be distributed to the writers according to the what they did read. There could be even multiple services and the same writer could publish to multiple with no exclusivity clause.
Edit: Hell, Hacker News is one excellent article curation service that has supplanted the place of a newspaper. But there's no revenue feedback mechanism. What does the writer benefit from being linked to from HN? Many people use some go-around-the-paywall service since they don't want to subscribe, which indeed would be irrational for only a few articles every now and then.
I assume Substack payouts are very power law.
After someone has written something / produced a TV channel, sending it to one more person costs basically nothing.
So, if (making up some simple numbers) there are 100 writers who want paying $10 each, and 100 customers who want to pay $10 each, you can:
* Charge each customer $10 and let them read every writer (most of which they won't want)
* Charge each customer $1 a writer, then they get to read 10 writers.
* Charge each customer $10 a writer, then they get to read 1 writer.
People often say they want to pay a smaller amount for a subset of content, not realising that if everyone does that, you just end up spending the same amount as you started, on a subset of content.
Have a wallet that's loaded with value, send out payments for every second you spend with a creator's work.
Time spend is a really bad metric since it can easily be gamed. For non-entertainment content time spent could oven correlate negatively with value.
If I'm paying per second I can download something that would take me 5 minutes to read in 5 seconds, saving me 59/60ths of the cost.
If every reader gets to choose which writers get their money, the least popular writers will get nothing and the most popular ones will get much more than they expected.
Then the writers who got nothing will presumably give up, thus increasing the average attractiveness of content on the platform. Meanwhile, the most popular writers can adjust their expected compensation upward but still lower the price per reader, thus increasing their readership even more.
On the other hand, if you're paying a flat fee to read anything you want, you'll be subsidizing a whole lot of crap you don't want, without a feedback channel to correct that.
I certainly don't want to negotiate every time I want to read an article. Heck, I don't want to decide to pay a fixed amount every time I want to read an article.
This idea of building your own newspaper sounds kind of interesting actually: a mix of authors you've picked and an automatically curated content from other authors to help you find new authors.
I guess the question is does that model work? Rather than catering to a generalist audience focus on a niche and charge more to people who can't get that content anywhere else.
Free content then plays to the more generalist audience and helps attract people who are more seriously interested in your niche.
I started doing this with my substack, which is aimed at the relatively narrow niche of sequencing technologies (biotech). The information I provide, isn't really available elsewhere and requires an industry background, and significant research. This information can play into investment decisions, so I've priced it to reflect that (~$50/m).
I don't have enough paid subscribers to justify the effort yet. But every paid subscriber provides some meaningful amount of money...
I could see this working in other areas too. I'm not sure the niche even needs to be super small. For example, English language reporting on Japan is generally pretty bad. Could you find at least 200 people worldwide willing to pay $50/m for detailed well sourced reporting on Japan? It seems likely to me...
It doesn't even matter if those 200 people republish your work in some form. They're paying privilege of getting that information first.
I am reminded of the financial commentator on the radio in the early 2000’s predicting that Amazon would fail because it had stopped offering free shipping.
Time will tell. I don’t have a crystal ball, but I’m rooting for substack.
If Amazon made Prime free for everyone and kept their retail prices unchanged, there'd be a good argument for saying it's free shipping.
That is not my experience at all. Buying a newspaper where you are only interested in 15 % of the content is like buying an entire CD with perhaps two really good songs. This model used to be the norm, but consumers hated it and it is becoming obsolete.
I think the demise of the publishing industry proves this point comically incorrect!
ADDED: Of course, very few is not no one. "Very few" people in the scheme of things buy a lot of books either but some authors make a lot of money. But if you're betting on how much money a book will bring in, don't give up your day job. And, with respect to journalism, the bar is even higher if you're talking investigative journalism that may not produce results for many months if ever.
I happily paid for Blendle as long as they had my best interest in mind (refundable) and only didn't pay more because there wasn't more relevant articles for me.
I'll happily pay for substack etc as well if there is something really interesting, but it either needs to be very interesting, small amounts or someone needs to come along with a real all-you-can-read-model like Spotify.
Ideally I want the option to pay pr piece, or pay a bit more for all todays posts from a channel (newspaper).
It turns out that many (not all) people are willing, able, and actively want to make the choices to curate their experience and see what happens. Yes, it's more work but it's probably closer to what they want.. OR if they miss, it's on them with few others to blame.
We've reached the point where there is SO much noise and the algorithms are optimized to feed you more noise that people suffer. In some cases, it manifests as the constant anxiety and stress of "omg this thing happened!" while in others, it's just the constant interruptions.
Regardless, I suspect we're going to see the pendulum swing back and we'll see strategic disconnection to filter out the noise, chaos, and BS. If that's correct, Substack nailed the timing and should do well for quite a while to come.
Depending on what you mean by "well". I haven't "read" the newspaper in any traditional sense - i.e. reading it as a whole product, not picking a single article - in decades. I haven't subscribed to a traditional newspaper (I exclude special interest magazines) for even longer. I know for a fact that the work of real journalists (investigative, etc.) is being routinely suppressed or restricted by their major newspaper employees because of reasons having nothing to do with reporting. I am getting much more high-quality content from independent journalists (including Substack ones, but not only) and writers than I could ever have found in any newspaper. I struggle to find anything that traditional newspapers like NYT do "well" for me. They have a variety of topics? Who cares. If I'm interested in what a certain author has to say or in a certain topic - which rarely happens with NYT nowdays, but nevertheless - I don't care who pays the salary to the writer. I know that there's no chance a single subscription - or even several of them - would cover even part of my interests, I'd be needing my hundreds-strong RSS feed anyway. So what's the point? What exactly is being done well there?
Except, with the Internet you don’t have physical/geographical constraints for distribution and suddenly a niche audience, at a global level, is not so niche. And it makes it a viable model, a thousand people paying $5/mo and all of a sudden you are making more than most journalists AND with much greater freedom of expression
My experience is the opposite. I get the Boston Globe delivered every Sunday. It's fine. I flip through it. Occasionally there's a story I care a lot about. Some weeks there's nothing. I read it mostly because I feel loosely obligated to try to keep up with current events.
On the other hand, I subscribe to Matthew Yglesias's Substack and the hit rate is like 85%. Nearly every article perfectly aligns with one or more of my interests. His policy focus almost exactly overlaps my policy interests. It's kind of uncanny.
If I had to cancel one or the other it's really not even close.
Insert a purchase decision into that flowful sesh (even for as little as a penny) and most will find it more relaxing to just instead go and click on one of the many free articles at their disposal being served up by free aggregators (like this one).
These debates always pop up here with little awareness that the newspaper industry tried micropayments 20 years ago and it didn't work. Paywalls were discovered in 2011 or so, they worked, and that's pretty much been that.
Source: I founded a micropayments company in 2002 and worked at a newspaper 2009-2013.
Paying more for a smaller collection of writers may provide me more value.
Charge me monthly to to up but not if I have more than m unspent tokens.
And the financial returns are real. I vaguely recall someone, Glenn maybe, who shared they had 6,000 subscribers at $60 per year or $360,000 in income. Clearly more than enough to sustain a writer.
The logic is simple: an individual writer is always relatively niche. Niche means small audience. Small audience means you have to charge more per person to cover your costs.
Maybe Substack will go the Medium way and try to aggregate, or encourage its writers to aggregate. If so, then it could succeed, but it'll succeed by becoming a newspaper. The problem is that the NYT, Guardian, Mail etc. have a lot of experience at doing aggregation well. (Each day has an appropriate mix of home, foreign, finance, and sports. The day's editorial chimes with what the front page journalists wrote about. Long run investigations are funded in the hope of big payoffs. Et cetera.) Medium hasn't really broken through, I think Substack would struggle.
An alternative is the status quo: Substack is a perfectly viable blogging tool, where aspiring journalists and writers like me [1] give away content for free, in the hope of breaking through to the next level, and where a few people make a good living. But if so Substack will fit into the existing landscape, rather than disrupting it.
[1] https://wyclif.substack.com