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Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by EdwardDiego on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @06:43AM (#27892138)
> an actual zen teacher who has received transmission, not a charlatan

I'm really hoping you were going for darkly ironic humour, if not, please reread your sentence I quoted and, I don't know, contemplate on it.

Received transmission? From the Trisolarians perhaps?

Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by cyberpunk on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @06:49AM (#27892168)
Transmission simply means their teacher considers them ready to also become teachers, it’s not some whoo science fiction mind meld or something… There are some cases of teachers giving this out inappropriately however these are rather obvious if you were to speak to one who has achieved the real deal vs not..

Buddhism is largely an oral tradition, in that the teachers who exist today can trace their education back up a tree, this is all I mean by transmission.

Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by denton-scratch on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @12:10PM (#27908118)
Transmission occurs when one has fully internalised a practice that one has learned from a master (of that practice).

You may be able to teach yourself meditation from a book, without a teacher. But that can't confer on you the confidence that you're doing it right. Many practices depend critically on confidence. Of course, you have to be confident that your master has really mastered the particular practice; you gain that confidence by knowing that the master received transmission, from someone who received transmission... etc. That line of transmission is referred to as the "lineage" of that practice.

There are no ritual formalities for mindfulness; every monk learns mindfulness, from other monks. The first monks learned it from the Buddha; but if you're going to learn the practice from a layman, you need to start inquiring into your teacher's transmission lineage.

In tantra, there are rituals that accompany the process of mastery: permission to study the text, a reading of the text, a commentary on the text from the master.

But these rituals are not the transmission.

There's usually some kind of "inner" transmission that depends on a personal relationship between the master and the student. But even that doesn't seal the transmission; the student still has to internalise the practice, which might take years.

It's very interesting to look into the process by which tulkus "produce" innovative practices. Often, the teaching is delivered to the tulku by enlightened beings, who learned the practice from some Buddha other than The Sage of the Munis. The tulku must then practice the teaching, usually for many years, until the insight stabilises, before it's safe for him to disseminate it.

Tulkus often have hard lives.

Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by EdwardDiego on Thursday July 22, 2021 @12:09PM (#27920625)
...I don't really want to hear about your religious beliefs, tbh, I've had a lifetime of it already, and I've decided you're all charlatans.

Especially if you unnecessarily revert to jargon when trying to explain your beliefs, you mention "tulku" four times, but define it zero times. This is indicative of in-group signaling.

Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by denton-scratch on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:18PM (#27921632)
May I suggest that you not read articles about Buddhist meditation then? Less still the comments? I sort-of supposed that nobody would read these comments if they weren't interested.

I avoid articles about pay in the SF area, AI models, Tesla cars, and many other topics. If I read one by accident, I just move on - I don't post a comment whingeing that I'm not interested.

I don't belong to an "in-group" here; I used to be a Buddhist, but I no longer profess any religion. The subject still interests me though; I devoted 40 years of my life to it, and unsurprisingly it has had quite an impact on me.

For what it's worth, a tulku in Tibetan Buddhism is a re-incarnating lama. I realise that I used the wrong word; what I meant was "terton", which is a revealer of hidden teachings. Those hidden/revealed teachings are a specialty of a minority of Tibetan Buddhists - so an "in group", almost by definition. Tertons an interesting subject - if you happen to be interested in such things.

Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by fsckboy on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @03:08AM (#28046438)
the article is about mindfulness and many Buddhist commenters have said the article is not about Buddhism, it's about a perverted form of meditation, but you're here defending Buddhists hijacking that topic and saying that everybody else should move on... not throwing shade, just sayin.
Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by EdwardDiego on Friday July 23, 2021 @09:05AM (#27930199)
Thanks for actually explaining your jargon.
Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by neonate on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:05AM (#27930776)
Why did you stop after 40 years? That's a long time, and most people wouldn't.
Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by denton-scratch on Saturday July 24, 2021 @06:13AM (#27939643)
A number of reasons. FWIW, I was trained in a Tibetan tradition.

- I had from the beginning espoused a non-religious view of Buddhism. About 20 years in, my teacher stated that Buddhism was definitely religious, and that devotional practices like pujas were non-optional. I didn't like it, but if you take on a teacher, it behoves you to at least try to go along with the teaching - which I did.

- I learned some things about Tibetan history that were the opposite of my earlier, naive beliefs. Pre-communist Tibet was not Shangri-La.

- While I never practiced tantra, the tradition was tantric; I eventually learned some important things about tantra that I found unacceptably obnoxious. I can't go into detail, because I don't want to undermine anyone else's commitment to tantra.

- The group that I had been involved with gradually changed, I became an outsider, and things got difficult. Friends in the group cut me off.

- The behaviour of Buddhist nationalists in places like Myanmar and Srilanka towards non-Buddhist minorities appalled me - this was the tipping point.

- I did my back in through long sitting sessions. The amount of my life that I had spent sitting was beginning to look like heavy expenditure for no obvious gain (I wasn't making much progress).

These are my reasons; they don't apply to anyone else, and I don't deprecate Buddhism or Buddhists. I just gradually came to see that I'm no longer one of them.

There is a great deal that I integrated from Buddhism. It remains the basis for my morality, and my world-view is still largely based on Buddhist thought. But I no longer do any kind of formal practice, and I don't identify as a Buddhist.

Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by SyzygistSix on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:02AM (#27893831)
Transmission is a form of teaching/learning.
Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by jazzyjackson on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:36PM (#27898961)
It’s just another word for matriculation - to contrast from those that learn meditation from YouTube.
Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by imwillofficial on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @01:36PM (#27896702)
Transmission refers to receiving chi, or a spark of energy from an advanced teacher. Perhaps less snark, and more curiosity would serve you on topics like this.
Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by EdwardDiego on Thursday July 22, 2021 @12:24PM (#27920871)
I've had plenty of curiosity in my life time, and have drawn my own conclusions. Here's three of them.

1) There's no scientific evidence for chi. Or qi, ki, whatever you're calling it in an Asian language, because it's just, like, deeper.[1]

2) "Energy" is the most wooly thinking word ever in pseudoprofound proclamations. For the love of Jesus. (Who most likely existed, but was very definitely not the son of YHWH)

3) You can believe what you like, and I'll believe what I like. And if I ever develop fantastical beliefs, I promise I won't expect you to treat them as real things deserving of your serious consideration. And I'll hope you do me the decency of reciprocating that implicit respect.

[1]: https://youtu.be/Z78_rAg4Ldg

Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by idiotsecant on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:12PM (#27900808)
Ah chi, well that explains everything, definitely 100% real and not made up bs at all.
Re:My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown by ungamedplayer on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @07:52PM (#27900689)
I feel the terminology used in your post inspires it.