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Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by mygoodaccount on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:54PM (#27824723)
Another one here (Woman, 24 y.o.). Contracted COVID, had a terrible three-weeks of infection. Nine months later, I am having weekly heart palpitations, I'm constantly fatigued and fogged in the mind and my lung capacity is half what it used to be - I now require an inhaler to go on my runs. I know several women my age experiencing far worse.

Long COVID should not be ignored.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by jacquesm on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:56PM (#27824762)
Ah yes, the heart thing. Forgot to mention that because it hasn't happened for a couple of months now but I would wake up at night every now and then with my heart going like I just ran a marathon. But that fortunately completely went away.

As for lung capacity: I used to play saxophone pretty fanatically and I think that is one of the reasons I got through this with a relatively low amount of damage.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by mygoodaccount on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:00PM (#27824819)
> As for lung capacity: I used to play saxophone pretty fanatically and I think that is one of the reasons I got through this with a relatively low amount of damage.

Funnily enough, I used to play the flute and sing before contracting COVID. With my lung capacity halved, my ability is nowhere near what it used to be. Long COVID has taken all my hobbies away from me: running, singing, hip-hop dancing. If anyone knows of any support groups relating to Long COVID, please let me know.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by jacquesm on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:04PM (#27824868)
Gah that sucks, I really feel for you. But: you will recover. For the longest time I thought that I wouldn't and then bit by bit it got better. If you can find an exercise bike I would really recommend you find one, it is super motivating to see your distance creep up day-by-day as you regain your strength and wind.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:13PM (#27825715)
Have you tried postural drainage for your lungs? I ask because if you've lost half your lung capacity (and I expect a singer and flute player would know), then you must have some kind of junk in there.

For those not familiar with the term: You position yourself with your head a foot lower than your hips (and your back straight). You hold that for 15 minutes or so. You let gravity pull the junk out of your lungs down to where you can cough it out. Warning: It's not fun. First, your head feels like it's going to explode from the lung pressure. Second, when a chunk comes out, oxygen starts hitting an area of your lungs for the first time in maybe months. That hurts. (Or so my daughter says. She had to do this.)

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by MaxBarraclough on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:43PM (#27826091)
That sounds like the kind of thing you should do on the advice of your doctor, rather than on the advice of a stranger on the Internet.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by waterhouse on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @05:42PM (#27826659)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postural_drainage#Risks

"Postural drainage is considered safe and effective, but may cause some side effects. The procedure is discontinued if the patient complains of headache, discomfort, dizziness, palpitations,[3] fatigue, or dyspnea. Patients may be dyspnic after the various manuovers, since the head-down position increases the work of breathing, reduces tidal volume, and decreases functional residual capacity (FRC).[citation needed]"

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @05:06PM (#27826326)
Well, my daughter did it on the advice of a retired nurse (her grandmother).
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by fragmede on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:44PM (#27825370)
There’s are many Facebook groups, and a Slack. (No idea the overlap.)

http://survivorcorps.com

The particular FB group I'm in is called (creatively enough) "Long Covid Support Group", but a search there reveals there are many more.

My email is in my profile if you want to connect further over this. I consider myself mostly healed by this point (infected March 2020) and can share my vitamin regime (its efficacy is anecdotal, my sample size is 2) but I still have lingering health issues over a year later.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by Invictus0 on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @09:32PM (#27828484)
We have a lively long covid discord group here: https://discord.gg/HcxrH7xZ
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by loopz on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:49PM (#27825453)
Breathing exercises and meditation/yoga may help, both with heart and lungs. Worth a try along with long covid support/meetups.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by disabled on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:54PM (#27825516)
Yep. I do breathing exercises daily. It helps with the dysautonomia (long covid causes dysautonomia) too.

You may want to look into the Airofit Pro: https://www.airofit.com/

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by loopz on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @05:53PM (#27826735)
One may also learn Ujjayi breath. It needs no technology and has other benefits.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by varjag on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:17PM (#27825020)
Sounds terrible. Did you (and u/mygoodaccount) have loss of smell among the symptoms? I recall reading somewhere that it correlates with protracted recovery.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by ModernMech on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:39PM (#27826022)
My sister had this. Even today (5 months after infection) she says some things taste and smell funny. She can't eat mint ice cream anymore because she says it tastes like cigarettes.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by rutherblood on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:40PM (#27829435)
Can relate. Been 3 months since I recovered. Sense of smell has recovered definitely but since the past 2-3 weeks I've noticed it's still not fully there. A rare house plant blooming in the night which for everyone at home triggers a strong sweet fragrance which can be sensed even on the second floor, for me it was like a lingering placebo. Additionally, there is this weird stench that permeates everything I eat. I can't explain it, just a kind of smell I've never come across but now have to every other hour because it colors pretty much any earlier-pleasant-smelling thing
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by ModernMech on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:50PM (#27829511)
> Additionally, there is this weird stench that permeates everything I eat. I can't explain it, just a kind of smell I've never come across

Yes, this is exactly what she describes. The closest she could get to describing it was "cigarettes" when I pressed her, but she really insisted should couldn't even characterize it.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by rutherblood on Thursday July 15, 2021 @01:56AM (#27841827)
Is she having gastrointestinal problems too? Like digestion issues attimes, weird random pains in the abdomen, around the liver or stomach? I've been facing these since the last 2 months.

Sometimes I wonder how much our sense of smell is connected to the gut microbiome.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by ModernMech on Thursday July 15, 2021 @08:17AM (#27843865)
Yes but hard to say if they are due to COVID since she’s always had GI issues, which cause her to avoid a lot of food (eggs, milk, fruits).
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by jacquesm on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:19PM (#27825046)
During the first three weeks, yes. But afterwards that came back to fairly normal levels quickly.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by satysin on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:44PM (#27825375)
I am having daily heart palpitations and they are almost unbearable now. Sometimes I wake up and feel fine almost all day but not a day has gone by in the past two months where I don't have some kind of chest discomfort around my sternum/xiphoid process.

I have had a whole bunch of scans and everything is normal. I will be having an endoscopy next week to hopefully get to the bottom of it. I am 'hoping' it is something simple and obvious that they can treat. So far everything ends up being "well it's not $insertMedicalCondition so let's check for $insertSomeOtherMedicalCondition" :(

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by disabled on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:57PM (#27825539)
This sounds like dysautonomia.

I have dysautonomia, which I had long before (probably) getting COVID-19. I have a rare form of dysautonomia. But, dysautonomia does happen, relatively frequently, as post-viral cases.

The good news is that post-viral dysautonomia has high potential for improving and even (realistically) going away. Rest will be the best treatment.

Check my profile if you want to email me or want help.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by treeman79 on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:28PM (#27825886)
I acquired dysautonomia from toxic exposure.

Turned out to be an underlying autoimmune disorder (Sjogrens) and a clotting disorder “factor 5 Leiden”

The exposure triggered both from mild barely noticeable problems to I was completely disabled.

Took years to figure out it out.

When I got covid it was basically the same event again. Took months for body to calm down again.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by disabled on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:34PM (#27825957)
Yep, I am in the exact same position as you. I lost at least a year of my life due to this post-viral syndrome. I am back to where I was prior to getting COVID-19, though. When I was really sick in March 2020, I thought "wow, I haven't been this sick in a long time". It really was like going back to square one. It was super scary, too, given the health problems that I have.

I have autoimmune autonomic ganglionopathy (autoimmune dysautonomia), which is believed to have caused my type 1 diabetes (autoimmune and insulin-dependent). It is also believed to have caused other endocrine problems and other neurological problems (I have another immune-mediated neurological disease affecting my peripheral nervous system). Anyways, autoimmune autonomic ganglionopathy is very rare, and I have the antibodies (about half of people do not), so I am tremendously lucky.

Anyways, I would be interested in chatting with you. If you want to do so, my email is in my profile information. I am very resourceful and I have tips.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by fragmede on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:53PM (#27825506)
Have you managed to get medication (aka beta blockers) for the palpations? I am not a doctor but I strongly recommend getting a doctor to prescribe you some if you haven't already.

What's been particularly frustrating with long covid is because it's so new, I've had to have awkward pushy conversations with doctors to get me treatment I deserve. You can't get high off beta blockers, which helps assuage my feelings of being an addict engaging in drug seeking behavior, simply trying to get my heart rate under control, but the medical industry has largely failed patients here. The only reprieve is that enough healthcare professionals also got sick, so the fact that there's nothing that shows up on scans of my heart isn't taken as fact that there's nothing wrong with it.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by satysin on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:57PM (#27825534)
Last week my doctor prescribed me something called Stresam (aka Etifoxine). Apparently it is a lot like the benzo Lorazepam (Ativan) but without the whole benzo addiction problem.

I had never heard of it nor know anyone on it before but apparently it is good. Too early for me to say if it is personally. I want to avoid any kind of addictive medication if possible.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by sethammons on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @06:31PM (#27827061)
I had an awful cold or sickness about a year ago (including messed up taste and smell!) and since then I've developed heart racing, panic attacks, and working out is sooooo hard now. My strength is down, my cardio sucks, and just getting myself to work out is a chore. I can feel trouble breathing sometimes. My heart can race from sitting or walking up stairs. I was pretty dang fit and working out hard 5 days a week. Now getting 1-3 days in in a week is near impossible due to being tired.

I tested negative for covid antibodies. I'm not sure about all the data on "post covid 19 syndrome" but I check a lot of boxes for it but didn't test positive. My wife is in a similar block. Just tossing some anecdata out there.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by hourislate on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @07:19PM (#27827418)
Maybe you ought to take it easy and walk instead of running. Is it possible you might be damaging your lungs and not letting them heal?
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by atatatat on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @06:35PM (#27827097)
I (anecdotally) linked the heart heart thing to viral waste in heart valves, clearing which can be helped by wild blueberries (antioxidants, which yes, are real!).
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by lambdaba on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:16PM (#27825013)
I hope this is taken the right way, but have you tried "vitamins" (broadly speaking)? Some I have seen with specific effects: Niacin, Black Seed Oil (Nigella Sativa), Magnesium megadoses, etc. etc. Don't dismiss these as "quack medicines", I've recovered from severe chronic illness thanks to some of these... I could expand if people ask, but really it's quite easy, especially for the HN crowd, to level-up rapidly on healing yourself or at least giving yourself the best chance to do so.

The greatest concentrator of such info on the whole internet, is, as far as I can tell, https://twitter.com/grimhood - follow him and get a feel for the info he's spreading, he has very valuable information on all sorts of healing protocols.

Lastly, one that will no doubt be most controversial, but also has promising anecdotes: Ivermectin.

[edit] here come the downvotes, for those that do, note that downvotes, at least on HN, are not meant to express disagreement, they are meant for content that is objectionable for other reasons.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by sebmellen on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:23PM (#27825097)
I am not sure what I think of your comment, but I think it at least deserves discussion.

I have used said supplements before. In fact, I have a close friend who is very enamored with supplements and has about 50 different pill bottles in his medicine drawer.

Out of curiosity, I once spent two weeks taking about 25 pills a day at his recommendation, and I'm afraid they did not do very much for me — at least that I could noticeably discern.

The only supplement/herbal medicine I've had success with is St. Johns Wort, but I've been strongly discouraged from using it by a psychiatrist who emphatically emphasized that an SSRI is a much safer and more controllable way to achieve the same effects if need be.

Magnesium deficiency is relatively common, though I wonder if that isn't more of a dietary issue.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by fragmede on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:01PM (#27825587)
I mean, if you're basically fine, then the supplements, which have had studies run, aren't really going to do much for you unless you're really in tune with your body. For extreme cases of long covid, however, the right set of vitamin supplements are life saving. (I'm not exaggerating. eg https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/long-covid-patie... )

There are absolutely scammers selling trash (there's someone selling stem cell injections as a cure) and fuck them. But don't ignore the very real problems that patients are experiencing, and that they're helped by simple remedies that aren't yet proven by science. Science will catch up, but people are suffering dying in the meanwhile.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by sebmellen on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @10:18PM (#27828830)
Very interesting article, thank you for the link! When administered and monitored with some degree of medical oversight (as was the case for the article’s subject), I think such treatments are wonderful!
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by lambdaba on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:11PM (#27825695)
This is my stance exactly. It doesn't hurt to try, and you will learn a lot in the process. Also, some of these are proven by science, just remember there is a lot of science out there and doctors are only aware of a tiny fraction of it.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by heavyset_go on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:00PM (#27825565)
> The only supplement/herbal medicine I've had success with is St. Johns Wort, but I've been strongly discouraged from using it by a psychiatrist who emphatically emphasized that an SSRI is a much safer and more controllable way to achieve the same effects if need be.

Yep. From Wikipedia[1]:

> On average, lead levels in women taking St. John's wort are elevated about 20%.

It's also a relatively dirty drug, with effects on typical monoamine and GABA reuptake, MAO-A and MAO-B inhibition and is an inhibitor or inducer at pretty much every relevant enzyme that breaks down common medications.

I wouldn't want to become dependent on something like that because the withdrawal syndrome could be pretty nasty compared to something relatively more selective and understood like an SSRI.

Even switching from SJW to something else might be tricky because of the enzyme induction.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypericum_perforatum#Antidepre...

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by ericd on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:32PM (#27825219)
I'm no expert on any of this, but I think the theory is that many of these don't have a single strong directional effect like most single-compound pharmaceuticals do, but that if your body is short on something, and that's causing an issue, it can grab something from the cocktail of compounds, and that can help. If it's not, then it doesn't.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by lambdaba on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:37PM (#27825268)
Many of the recommendations are vitamins and minerals, that are common deficiencies (magnesium is a notorious one, because of soil depletion etc.). It's reasonable to suspect that recovery from an illness finds one in a nutrient-depleted state.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by ericd on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:46PM (#27825406)
Ah yeah, I was thinking more about the plant extracts. But your body is probably decent at filtering out the vitamins and minerals it doesn’t need (the water soluble ones, at least, be careful with fat soluble ones like vitamin D).
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by lambdaba on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:07PM (#27825642)
Obviously both vitamins and plant extracts need to be treated with care, after having done thorough research. Thankfully there is plenty of information available, and as I've said the HN crowd should be especially well equipped for this.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by lambdaba on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:26PM (#27825125)
The experience you're describing doesn't disqualify supplements, you say you've taken "25 [random] pills", this is not what I'm advocating. There are various supplements, be it vitamins or plant extracts, that have definite medicinal effects. It should go without saying, really.

For illustration, just go on pubmed and search for "nigella sativa" (black seed oil).

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by avgDev on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:39PM (#27825308)
I just want to add a bit to this. While there is a lot of snake oil supplements, there is a also quite a bit research on some supplements helping.

I'm speaking from personal experience here. I suffer from a mild case of Erythromelalgia. During typing my fingers and hands would get red and feel warm. My case is most likely secondary caused by some nerve damage from a medication I took. There is a doctor who had severe case of it and has done some research on using magnesium/ala and it made his condition 95% better and he was able to return back to work. I have been following his protocol for about a month now, and it has made an incredible difference.

Anyone who is suffering from an annoying illness, that is not aggressive and require immediate treatment, should try research possible supplements and diets. Clean/healthy diet is always good.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by abz10 on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:32PM (#27825213)
Megadose B3 2000mg per day does seem to be commonly effective. The theory is NAD+. Gives me a headache so an aspirin is needed as well but was one of the first treatments that pulled me out of fatigue.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by lambdaba on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:35PM (#27825247)
Thank you. Yes Niacin (vitamin B3) megadoses are seemingly very effective for a wide range of ailments.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by krastanov on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:44PM (#27825364)
> [edit] here come the downvotes, for those that do, note that downvotes, at least on HN, are not meant to express disagreement, they are meant for content that is objectionable for other reasons.

This is factually wrong. Search for posts by dang frequently explaining traditions and norms in this forum, including the downvote very much being a standard way to express disagreement (although it is better to voice your disagreement in a comment if you think the conversation would be interesting).

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by lambdaba on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:58PM (#27825546)
I didn't know that, frankly I remember reading, many years ago, people saying that downvotes are not meant to express disagreement. Maybe that changed, I personally don't agree with this and only consider downvoting if someone is not being civil, is not interested in discussion, or really voicing something obviously false. I was careful with my comment, I'm not selling anything, I was just interested in maybe nudging some people towards this information.

[edit] seems I'm not the only one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19406299

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by OJFord on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:30PM (#27825916)
It's often said, but as pointed out not the case, and ~never has been for as long as there was anything resembling policy - pg commented on it in early days.

Fwiw, I'm not really a fan of it (and don't do it) either. But it's a lot harder to upvote not-objectionable things (so many!) and not upvote things purely because you agree (tempting!) - so I suppose it makes sense. I've thought before about making a 'proof of concept' type commenting system where its designed around not/objectionable; the default as you scroll past things would be to up-vote them (automatically), only down-voting on intervention when 'this does not contribute to the discussion'. Meh, might be interesting, but I'm not interested enough that I've gotten around to it :).

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by hourislate on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @07:18PM (#27827406)
All the things you mentioned are very healthy to take. You're not wrong in suggesting they're worth a try if all else fails. Don't know if they can cure anyone but what the hell do you have to lose at this point if you're feeling like shit from the Corona.
Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by heavyset_go on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:45PM (#27825388)
> Magnesium megadoses

If you're considering this (I wouldn't), be aware that milk of magnesia is a very effective laxative, and other magnesium salts like magnesium oxide etc work similarly.

Re:Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for hea... by lambdaba on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:08PM (#27825656)
Yes indeed, I was giving hints for research, that will quickly reveal the best forms of magnesium to take (glycinate, chloride).