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Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by throwawayboise on Sunday July 11, 2021 @02:56PM (#27803643)
"Hearing aids cost thousands of dollars apiece, for no other reason than there is a cartel established by government that prevents firms from selling hearing aids without a prescription."

An example of how many (most?) monopolies are able to exist because of some sort of legal authorization or protection. Regulatory capture.

There are dozens of companies who would no doubt start making inexpensive hearing aids tomorrow. Absent government regulation, they already would be.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by slg on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:20PM (#27803850)
>An example of how many (most?) monopolies are able to exist because of some sort of legal authorization or protection. Regulatory capture.

To be clear this "legal authorization or protection" is not necessarily over regulation. Depending on the market, sometimes monopolies are the result of too much government regulation and sometimes they are the result of not enough government regulation. For example, most of the big tech monopolies do not exist because of regulatory capture. They exist because the government never put in enough effort to stop the monopolies from forming.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by lotsofpulp on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:23PM (#27803872)
> For example, most of the big tech monopolies do not exist because of regulatory capture. They exist because the government never put in enough effort to stop the monopolies from forming.

Is it possible they exist because the immense economies of scale and near zero marginal cost that software provides makes for a winner take all market?

As a customer, why would one use the 2nd best option, when the best option is available at no extra cost or very little cost?

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by foota on Sunday July 11, 2021 @07:06PM (#27805244)
I don't know if I would argue it applies to tech, but the economic term for this is a "natural monopoly", a market where the most efficient outcome is to have a single supplier. A common example is electrical transmission, since it wouldn't make sense to have 3 separate overlapping distribution networks. These are typically allowed to exist by regulation and controlled in some way, for example there is the common carrier concept for electrical transmission.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by 8ytecoder on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:26PM (#27803898)
That assumption doesn’t go well with what we saw in the case of Instagram and then Snapchat. Both took significant share out of Facebook but Facebook was able to buy Instagram and copy Snapchat to retain its monopoly. The Instagram acquisition shouldn’t have been possible is what the parent seems to be alluding to.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by disgruntledphd2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:01PM (#27804137)
Instagram had 10mn users and a one week old Android app at the time it was acquired.

Their ad system was pretty much ported from FB, one assumes, and their ads were sold by FB reps as part of a package.

I honestly don't know if they would have made it independently (and we'll never know, I guess).

The snapchat thing was different. Snap had a policy of focusing on iOS, while FB, IG and Whatsapp (all of which cloned their core feature) were available on Android. I personally think Snapchat shot themselves in the foot with bad product strategy.

And look at TikTok. They are definitely the biggest competitor FB have ever faced, so I'd imagine that the future competitive landscape for them looks much more difficult than the past.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by stevetodd on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:19PM (#27804259)
> I personally think Snapchat shot themselves in the foot with bad product strategy.

Seems to have worked out poorly for them.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by slg on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:30PM (#27803921)
Well yes, that is the "Depending on the market" part I mentioned in the sentence before the one you quoted. Some markets have traits that are more likely to lead to natural monopolies. A government acting in the best interest of its citizens would usually work on creating regulation in these markets to discourage monopolies.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by lwouis on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:06PM (#27806507)
You make an implicit assumption that a monopoly can't be the best way to organize an industry, and that competition is always better.

I'm not convinced by this assumption as i've seen contrary evidence. I've seen monopolies doing a great job, and i've seen competition destroy quality of service and price.

I would agree that the government needs to mitigate private actors. This regulation can take the form of splitting a monopoly but it can also take the form of keeping it a monopoly and regulating it by having a presence on the Board or through law.

The idea that we need multiple groups of people working on solving the same goal concurrently doesn't strike me of a one-size-fits-all approach. Multiple competing restaurants in a town is probably the way to go. Having virtual operators on the back of one physical infra as is the case with phone carriers for instance I would say is probably causing lots of overheads. I've seen it first hand from the inside. Turns out it's really complex to virtualize infra and have tenant-based billing. The only real difference is now you have 5 companies competing on marketing and offers on top of the same physical reality. Marketing costs can't vanish so the consumer is losing that money one way or another

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by nicoburns on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:50PM (#27805120)
That and lack of anti-trust action (or other deterrents against large businesses) on the part of the government.

A consumer shouldn't chhose the second if they don't want to. But governments should step in to ensure that the market remains competetive.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by Notanothertoo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:58PM (#27804487)
Big tech wouldn't have the silos or platform lock downs (ie power/user capture) they have today without the ip legal framework. People would be able to legally circumvent their bs and offer services around gaps in their platforms and would encourage more competition and result in a less monopolistic practice.

I think all monopolies are violence enforced or they are competitive otherwise somebody would step in and undercut their costs and the government has a monopoly on violence so...

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by WalterBright on Sunday July 11, 2021 @07:02PM (#27805213)
Software patents are a failure. Software shouldn't be patentable. I bet software innovation would increase, not decrease, without patents.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by ipaddr on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:53PM (#27805140)
Some exist because of copyright otherwise Microsoft would have been legally cloned out of business back in the day.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by walkedaway on Sunday July 11, 2021 @05:07PM (#27804537)
> do not exist because of regulatory capture

It's reasonable to conclude that Facebook and Twitter have benefitted greatly by not having expenses to properly monitor their platform due to section 230 safe harbor exemption. They are able to get away with selective enforcement on their platform and not pay a monetary penalty for doing so.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by maxk42 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:26PM (#27803894)
The only problem I see with allowing anyone to offer hearing aids is the hypothetical problem that a malfunctioning product may harm someone's hearing further.

That's a real issue to be addressed, but generally I agree that making it easier for people to help other people is better than throwing up obstacles.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by yissp on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:29PM (#27804330)
A huge number of everyday products have the potential to cause serious harm if they're defective, but they generally aren't regulated to the extent that hearing aids are. As a sibling comment points out, the threat of law suits keeps manufacturers in check.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by nostromo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @08:15PM (#27805629)
Earphones can damage someone’s hearing. Should those require a prescription too?
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by BurningFrog on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:59PM (#27804123)
In the pre-regulatory system, you could sue the manufacturer in those cases.

I think that was better for most cases.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by mschuster91 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:05PM (#27803713)
> There are dozens of companies who would no doubt start making inexpensive hearing aids tomorrow. Absent government regulation, they already would be.

And with the lack of certification requirement, someone will start cutting corners to make an extra chunk of profit. Just imagine a faulty hearing aid that fails while a person is driving, and the person causing an accident as a result. Good luck suing anyone over that one. Or people mis-tuning hearing aids leading to more damage than before.

Another thing I can easily imagine is unscrupulous manufacturers using banned chemicals to manufacture the hearing aids. We have enough of this sort of shenanigans with nickel allergies in jewelry.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by alisonkisk on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:41PM (#27803999)
Hearing is not required to safely operate a vehicle.

And why wouldn't someone be able to sue successfully?

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by tomc1985 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:54PM (#27804076)
What? Driving with headphones is forbidden where I am. And at minimum you need to be able to hear a carhorn.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by throwawayboise on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:19PM (#27804261)
Are deaf people forbidden to drive where you are?
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by mlindner on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:20AM (#27807295)
They're not, but it's still illegal to drive with headphones.

Deaf people still are unable to properly hear so are more unsafe when driving. They're legally allowed to do so because of deaf people lobbying legislators to force them to be allowed to do so.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by jdavis703 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:03PM (#27804157)
And emergency sirens/bullhorns, motorcycles, train horns at unguarded railroad crossing gates, etc.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by comex on Sunday July 11, 2021 @05:45PM (#27804719)
Even assuming that’s true, if your hearing suddenly cuts out, and you decide to pull over in response, the chance you’ll encounter one of those objects in the few seconds it takes to pull over is rather low.

For this to be a real danger, either the driver would have to not notice that they suddenly couldn’t hear anything, or the faulty hearing aid would have to pass through some sounds but not others. Both of those scenarios seem pretty unlikely.

Meanwhile, from some quick googling, it seems to be common for completely deaf people to drive; apparently there are devices that can translate sirens and such into visual cues, but such devices are not universally used. To be fair, it’s a bit different if you’re not expecting it or practiced at it.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by ISL on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:01PM (#27803674)
Queue "overpowered OTC aids destroyed my hearing" pushback...
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by toomuchtodo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:14PM (#27803788)
Bose’s hearing aids were recently approved by the FDA, and they’re only $850. The APM Marketplace program recently covered this development and the hearing aid monopoly. The sky isn’t going to fall.

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/381444600/marketplace

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/headphones/earbuds/sound...

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by the_third_wave on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:55PM (#27804084)
> Bose’s hearing aids were recently approved by the FDA, and they’re only $850.

Only $850? That is a new use of the word only as far as I'm concerned. These things, which are in many ways similar to if not identical with bluetooth earbuds should not cost more than those - and given the fact that Apple managed to convince people that $200 is a normal price for these things that should leave more than enough margin for an unhealthy profit margin seeing as how the ones I'm using cost ⅐ of that while achieving a longer battery life.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by toomuchtodo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:56PM (#27804098)
Traditionally, the cost for hearing aids runs in the thousands of dollars. Perfect is the enemy of good enough, progress takes time.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by the_third_wave on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:35PM (#27805017)
The only progress needed here is for the protection racket to be broken down, this can be done with the stroke of a pen. Allowing it to "take time" only gives those who seek to extract as much money as possible from the artificially limited market more time to do so.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by toomuchtodo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:49PM (#27805112)
I encourage you (and others) to actively engage with your Congressional representatives and regulators in this regard.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by the_third_wave on Sunday July 11, 2021 @07:15PM (#27805304)
Being European I think they will pay even less attention to me than they would to their constituents. Hearing aids are expensive on this side of the Atlantic as well though - although less expensive than in the USA - so it is still worth finding a way to open up this market. Just like intrepid hackers managed to turn routing appliances into versatile network components by creating OpenWRT, DD-WRT and similar "hacks" it would be refreshing to see something like this happening by someone creating new firmware for earbuds. While this would not be a real solution - hearing aids need longer battery life than earbuds for starters - it would give lie to the defence of high hearing aid prices. Any earbud with active noise cancellation probably has enough DSP capacity to implement the equaliser necessary to function as a hearing aid so the hardware should be available for such a hack.

There was an IndiGogo project aiming to produce 2-in-1 earbuds/hearing aids, it was funded in 15 minutes...

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/olive-pro-2-in-1-hearing-...

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by pkaye on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:08AM (#27807230)
The high price for hearing aids in the US is due to that independent providers need to mark up their hearing aids to pay for their overhead. So a $4k/pair hearing aid might have cost $2k/pair for them. Here Costco also sells hearing aids so they private label the same top end hearing aids for $1.4k/pair. They are a lot cheaper because they make profits through their overall membership base. Also they can negotiate a volume discount. Based of talking to the audiologist, I'd say the supplier sells them for $1.3k/pair tops.

Having hearing aids myself, the big thing is amplifying the sound without the noise. The device needs to figure out what to focus on. If I'm in a restaurant with lots of background noise and people talking, what should be amplified. Most hearing aids use multiple microphones and program settings to identify what to focus on. And there are different kinds of noise like car engine noise or HVAC noise. And don't forget the wind noise on the microphone when you are walking. Also hearing aids compress the dynamic range and frequencies to extend the range of hearing to improve comprehension. And if there is a sudden loud noise it shouldn't go beyond a comfortable power level.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by the_third_wave on Monday July 12, 2021 @06:40AM (#27808933)
> <list of hearing aid functions/>

Yes, a hearing aid is not the same as a noise-cancelling earbud, they use different algorithms and the former needs to be more configurable than the latter. Then again, this functionality is implemented in firmware and uses common audio processing algorithms on off-the-shelf low-power DSPs, just like those noise-cancelling earbuds. The IndieGogo example I mentioned seems to be able to sell a pair of multi-purpose buds for around $250 a pair, $600 for 3 pairs. Assuming they are actually making a profit on these sales - and I don't see why they wouldn't, the hardware seems quite standard for noise-cancelling earbuds - this is proof of what I stated before and gives lie to the "overhead" excuse for the high mark-up, especially given the small size of the company behind the things. Of course I do not know whether the buds sold through IndieGogo are as capable hearing aids as "regular, overpriced" ones and I do notice that the stated running time (18 hours) is that of the buds and the charging case together - the buds themselves last for 7 hours between charges. They're specified for "mild ~ moderately-severe hearing loss" and seem to have the required amplification and equalizing capabilities [1]. Maybe give them a try? I don't need hearing aids myself but my mother does use them so I'm thinking about getting her a pair of these once her current pair is in need of replacement.

[1] https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/...

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by SamuelAdams on Monday July 12, 2021 @03:53PM (#27814291)
Hi, I wear hearing aids full time and have been wearing them all my life. They are not identical to Bluetooth earbuds. The sound is completely different. Hearing aids need to be able to be adjusted to the wearer’s particular hearing loss. For example I need more amplification on high frequency pitches and less amplification on lower pitches.

Good hearing aids are also environmentally aware. They will adjust the amplification to be different in a car, bus, and quiet conference room. Cheap hearing aids rarely do this well. There is a very drastic difference between 800 dollar hearing aids and 10,000 aids. Trust me, I’ve tried both of them.

At best these Bluetooth headphones / earbuds you mention can just make all noises louder, across all environments. That helps a bit but it is not the same as what a good pair of hearing aids can do today.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by fshbbdssbbgdd on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:43PM (#27805076)
Is there an earbud costs $30 with active noise cancelation and transparency mode? I want this.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by mgerdts on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:46PM (#27804036)
$850 each and as of a month or so ago only available in 3 states.

At Costco you can get what seem to be high end hearing aids for $699 each. The current generation are rechargeable and support bluetooth. This includes the free hearing test free fitting ("real ear", which is current best practice) and followup so long as you have a membership.

The key thing that is lacking is a decent app or api for me to write my own. Oh, that and phone conversations using the hearing aid's bluetooth is pretty bad.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by toomuchtodo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @05:24PM (#27804620)
Half seriously, Medicare should consider including a Costco membership with their coverage for the elderly.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by im_down_w_otp on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:11PM (#27803768)
Total aside, in this context I think it's "cue". Like a cue card.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:06PM (#27803724)
Is that really going to be a thing? Earbuds have been out for a long time and are easily capable of destroying hearing.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by PoignardAzur on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:54PM (#27804073)
As someone with a relative who install these: yeah, it can be a thing.

The gap between "too soft, doesn't help you hear" and "too loud, damages your hearing" can be narrow.

Usually it's more of a problem in the other direction, with doctors playing it safe and tamping down the aid to the point of uselessness.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by oliv__ on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:03PM (#27803700)
Queue private agency testing, evaluating and rating products on the market
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by rtkwe on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:15PM (#27803804)
Cue rating agencies passing anything because hearing aid companies can go to another rating company if they don't, like what happened with mortgage securities in the 00s...
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by watwut on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:19PM (#27803834)
Yeah, it is totally impossible to have competition on regulated market. Monopoly is only possible solution.

Or something.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by heavyset_go on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:59PM (#27804126)
Credit rating agencies and the subprime crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating_agencies_and_the...
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by antifa on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:32PM (#27803937)
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by odiroot on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:16PM (#27803817)
*Cue
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by fshbbdssbbgdd on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:41PM (#27805057)
If it’s true that hearing aids shouldn’t need a prescription and can be made cheaply, shouldn’t it be easy for anyone who needs one to buy online from overseas? The same way you can get grey market viagra.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by notriddle on Sunday July 11, 2021 @07:34PM (#27805420)
The problem is that you don’t want zero regulation. That’s how you get fire hazard USB chargers from no-name Amazon sellers. You want minimal safety regulations — and no more.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by Johnny555 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @08:02PM (#27805561)
There are dozens of companies who would no doubt start making inexpensive hearing aids tomorrow. Absent government regulation, they already would be.

There are already dozens of companies making them:

https://www.amazon.com/Hearing-Amplifiers/b?ie=UTF8&node=377...

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:05PM (#27803717)
"monopolies are able to exist because of some sort of legal authorization or protection"

The entire point of patents...

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by akira2501 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:20PM (#27803846)
> The entire point of patents...

Well, if that were so, you would expect them to be secret and to never expire. The fact that are published and expire after a relatively short period belies the simplicity of that statement.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:35PM (#27803960)
In today's world, 20 years could mean the patented object is obsolete by the time it is public domain. Having exclusive use of the technology for the duration of it's useful life expectancy seems like a monopoly to me...
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by throwawayboise on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:23PM (#27804288)
Yes, there is probably a good argument to be made that many patents should have a shorter protected period. Also the "non obvious" requirement for an invention seems to need more emphasis, when an idea like "one click ordering" can be patented.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @05:47PM (#27804729)
I really feel like ideas shouldn't be patented at all, just their implementation.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by Notanothertoo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:21PM (#27804276)
Ever greening patents is standard practice today. This is why insulin is so expensive. Another good example is Disney's bs. They have kept thinks out of public domain for over a hundred years.. The 20 years thing is for the little guy, if he can ever afford the 50k patent and legal fees in the first place.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @05:48PM (#27804744)
Disney is copywrite, not patent. Copywrite lasts 50 years past the creators death (was shorter, but Disney lobbied to have it extended).
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by em3rgent0rdr on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:08PM (#27803741)
There are good arguments for abolishing or limiting patents. The cost of monopoly may exceed any benefit.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by throwaway5752 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:07PM (#27803730)
It was not great before patents when a big company could steal your work and put you out of business after you put in the R&D effort.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:23PM (#27803871)
Yeah, that used to be the point of patents. Now it seems it's mostly to squeeze as much out of people by capturing the majority of the market by not allowing similar products.

I mean, we have CEOs of biomedical companies admitting that they aren't basing prices off of what it costs to research, develop, and deliver a therapy, but rather base it off of what a deaparare person is willing to pay for it. This is the very thing antitrust laws were supposed to prevent, but the patent system is used to create a similar environment.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by throwaway5752 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:56PM (#27804096)
Agreed? Patents are being misused. We should fix that. Patents fixed gross injustices when they were created, and we shouldn't forget that, either. Software is probably the worst example of a field for patents and I think the case for patenting algorithms or design is dicey. But if you sink 100M into drug R&D, a novel type of medical device, or a new type of semiconductor CVD process you should have some protection against reverse engineering from competition for a period of time.

Since the problem seems to come a lot, maybe the problem is the role of money in politics and we should address the root cause. Just a thought.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:03PM (#27804826)
Drug companies spend more on marketing than on R&D. Much of the research is done with grants and government money. The vast majority of medical devices use the 510K process for approval, which means they are substantially similar to existing device (to bypass testing).

Sure some protection is necessary. You could make it based on development costs and have much shorter times for things that were cheap to do.

"maybe the problem is the role of money in politics and we should address the root cause. "

There are a lot of problems in politics that should be fixed - rules for thee but not for me (rule of law ignored), basically insider trading, high lifetime pensions, long careers, two party system, media bias/lies, and even problems in the voter base (us v them). Money is an issue, but it's really only good if the constituents are gullible or believe in the ends justifying the means. The real root of all of this is that politicians are a separate class from the rest of us and aren't accountable to anyone unless their transgressions are egregious, and then only sometimes. Rule of law has become a joke.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by throwaway5752 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @09:26PM (#27805978)
Drug companies are just similar to software in that regard. They acquire a bunch of companies that do basic R&D and get drug pipelines. Those founders get rich because they have patent protection. Just look at biosimilars for a taste of what might happen without patent protections.

I am more familiar with the 510(k) that most people are. It bypasses some testing, but there is still a fair amount of work. It has nothing to do with R&D expenditures that may or may not be behind an submission.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @09:43PM (#27806075)
510K is faster and cheaper in regards to studies given that it doesn't necessarily require human data nor clinical trials, which can be fairly large costs.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by Notanothertoo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:50PM (#27804437)
No you shouldn't.. The idea that your idea is so novel it should be legally enforced as "yours" is pretty egotistical imo. How do you credit the millions of ideas you are basing yours off of. It's also information, it's not "stolen" in the sense that multiple people can't use it at the same time.

Benefit of rnd is being first to market. You will capture much of the market while everyone else catches up and you are in a better position to innovate.

Also without these legal barriers if somebody can improve on it and make it better that's better for the community and consumer at large and allows for constant iteration.

Also there is a lot of bad behavior and things encouraged by the patent system. You have judges giving patents over technical nuances they can't possibly learn in a courtroom. You have companies like Intel spending millions on legal teams to enforce things rather then engineering innovation, which is great until you are no longer the dominant player and global players don't play by those rules.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by Notanothertoo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:37PM (#27804369)
As someone who started a business only to get a bullshit suit that I was unable to afford by one of the largest re insurance providers in the world (#1/2), the idea that the ip/patent legal framework as it is today helps the little guy is a slap in the face.

They preemptively sued me in a state I've never worked in or entered for that matter because the favorable corporate law there, and that is why they have their hq there. They would file a bullshit motion, get everyone in front of the judge. Somebody would point it out, they would retract it, and immediately file a new one and request everyone have time to review it. All the while bleeding me dry at 500$ an hour for litigation on top of travel expenses plus the regular legal fees of multiple lawyers across two states.

The whole thing was bullshit, lots of red flags but I lacked the capital to assert my agency legally..

The ip/patent framework as it is today helps nobody but big co and promotes regulatory capture. It prevents the kind of reverse engineering you see in China and why we don't have things like removable battery cell phone mods and other "hacks" here. It's why the right to repair is an issue at all, if they didn't have this legal framework they wouldn't be able to enforce any of it legally. Somebody would come along and offer a service to do it at a fraction of the cost. Why do I have to keep buying the same media over and over again on different formats. It's amazing to me seeing the most authoritarian regime in modern history leverage the free market better than the "capitalists". Sorry for the rant but this shit is imo the reason for most of the corporate bullshit today. It's what empowers the lawyers.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by throwaway5752 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @09:30PM (#27805996)
If you tossed out the patent system, would you get any less screwed? Or just screwed in a different way, or worse?

I really don't know. Your experience is awful and clearly unjust and an abuse of the system. You didn't mention Texas, but I'm guessing Texas. What happens there is a national disgrace.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by giantg2 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:14PM (#27804901)
The court system is a joke. It has nothing to do with justice. On the criminal side, you can get a citation for a $500 fine and it's better to just plead guilty because a lawyer will cost you at least that much. It's a financial punishment even if you are innocent. If you don't hire a lawyer the judge won't take you seriously and call you names like "sovereign citizen". The number of mistakes and the amount of ignorance by the people running the system is repulsive and leads to violations of rights.

As just one laughable example, I had a magistrate think that requesting the case to be dismissed with prejudice was me calling him prejudice. You dont even need to have a law degree or pass the bar to be a magistrate.

Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by ModernMech on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:15PM (#27803803)
Now they just file the patent before inventing it, let you do the R&D for them to make it a reality, and sue your for patent infringement when you go to market.
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by alisonkisk on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:40PM (#27803993)
what big business was doing that before 1789?
Re:Biden launches action on "Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big A... by BurningFrog on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:03PM (#27804154)
I assume there are countries where you can already buy hearing aids without prescription?