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Re:Random Variable Algebra by foxes on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:43AM (#27798516)
I struggle with the notation, where functions are defined, and if things should be lifts/pullbacks/pushforwards.

X is a real random variable. So it is a map from some space of measurements, M , X : M -> R. Z is supposed to be a random variable in this case (why lower case?). f is a function from R->R, and you mean the pullback to Omega?

Clearly all these spaces at least you can have some sensible notion of differential forms, differentials, so I imagine a space \Omega_M/R, so there are derivations, generalised stokes theorem etc.

Then even though this is all some analytic kind of world, well we can get the algebraic structure right at least. If things are supposed to for example, Borel or whatever quantifier, I feel like that is just extra data and constraints.

Stats overall seems kind of sloppy.

Re:Random Variable Algebra by whatshisface on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:23AM (#27799040)
In the language of differential forms, a probability distribution would be a form of the highest order (dx ^ dy ^ dz in three dimensions), and f would be your typical map between manifolds. It would then receive identical treatment to a density, because in a sense that's what PDFs are - densities of samples in the limit of infinite samples.

It is hardly sloppy, the author just wrote it in the language of vector calculus. Another treatment, the one in my textbooks, addresses it with the determinant of the Jacobian matrix from the perspective of change-of-coordinates in multidimensional integrals. As always there are as many ways to skin a cat as there are closed curves on the 2-sphere.

Re:Random Variable Algebra by r-zip on Monday July 12, 2021 @03:32PM (#27814047)
It is very sloppy when you come from say, analysis, where things are precisely defined, especially in more applied statistics.

In my experience, any more applied than probability theory itself and you get omissions of very important details such as the probability space under consideration and the RVs involved in expectations, in addition to frequent inconsistencies and outright abuses of notation. These tendencies make it a harder subject for someone who is used to precise exposition to pick up.

Re:Random Variable Algebra by wvlia5 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:51AM (#27798540)
f is a function from Rⁿ→R

X is a multidimensional random variable, z is unidimensional, so that's why the difference in casing

Re:Random Variable Algebra by HiddenSmirk on Monday July 12, 2021 @07:37AM (#27809247)
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Re:Random Variable Algebra by jpfr on Sunday July 11, 2021 @08:46AM (#27800357)
Uhm. That's not exactly a new result. See Theorem 2.7 (page 34) in [1] for the classical formulation.

If the advantage is in the notation, please enlighten me.

[1] Jazwinski, Andrew H. Stochastic Processes and Filtering Theory. Academic Press, 1970.

https://books.google.fr/books?id=4AqL3vE2J-sC&pg=PA34

Re:Random Variable Algebra by derbOac on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:06PM (#27801968)
FWIW, 2.85 in [1] is not obviously the same to me as linked statement. Not saying it isn't the same but seems like there's some steps there. I agree it seems like something I've seen before though.
Re:Random Variable Algebra by fabiom on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:04AM (#27798388)
Interesting. But by the title I thought it was about an algebra (or algebraic structure) of random variables.
Re:Random Variable Algebra by wvlia5 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:18AM (#27798438)
It presents how every F defined on random variables maps to a F' defined on the probability distribution of such random variables, an isomorphism.
Re:Random Variable Algebra by sasaf5 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:38AM (#27799095)
I think parent was expecting to see things like operations between random variables and their typing system. I am trying to imagine how all of this could be derived from the isomorphism presented, but it's beyond my mathematical reach.
Re:Random Variable Algebra by pizza on Sunday July 11, 2021 @02:17AM (#27798803)
Nice article. Could you make like a picture to show this? Would be nice for intuition.
Re:Random Variable Algebra by wvlia5 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @02:27AM (#27798848)
I will. A picture of what would be useful?
Re:Random Variable Algebra by pizza on Monday July 12, 2021 @11:13PM (#27817322)
Not sure, to be honest. I guess anything you feel that displays the machinations of your proof.
Re:Random Variable Algebra by quenix on Sunday July 11, 2021 @05:47AM (#27799594)
Somewhat unrelated, but as a Notion lover and engineer I was so relieved when the team added native inline LaTeX support to the product.

Gone are the days where we had to contend with ugly Unicode characters or italicised Times New Roman as an alternative.

This document looks superb.

Re:Random Variable Algebra by hwita on Saturday July 10, 2021 @11:52PM (#27798336)
I feel like more explanation is needed between steps 4 and 5 of the proof.
Re:Random Variable Algebra by wvlia5 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:14AM (#27798419)
Visualize it.

You are integrating a function P(X) along a thin surface defined by z<f(X)<z+dz.

What is volume dV for a given dz? It is a surface dS times dX: the amount that X changes for a given dz. Since z=f(x), then dx=dz/|∇f(x)|. So dV=dS*dz/|∇f(x)|

Re:Random Variable Algebra by anon_tor_12345 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:04PM (#27801946)
this is literally just a change of variable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_density_function#F...

every single probability/stats book covers it in the first chapter.