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Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by throwaway284534 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:39AM (#27642259)
Does anyone else want to rant about Reddit’s AMP pages that show up on Google? Oh I could go on about it…

The managers at Reddit, in their infinite wisdom, decided that the preferred experience of a Google user searching for content on reddit should redirected to their wonky app. And if they don’t have the app, they should be punished with modals upon modals. “Reddit looks better in the app!” Oh, you disagree? Well press this tiny button to indicate your unsaved preference and we will allow you to view a preview of the thread you came for. But…if you can find the illusive button which shows the whole thread, we will grant you full access — after asking you to install the app again!

It’s enough to make the designers of the Get Smart door scene collapse in embarrassment knowing that their parody has become the reality of every unsuspecting person who just wants to browse Reddit.

And while I have you here, please tell me what’s going on with the Reddit’s scroll positioning when navigating out of the site. Just by clicking a external link in a thread, you’ve not only lost your position, navigating back to Reddit will tease you with the last version of the page before everything refreshes back to the top.

And God forbid if you keep a tab open up for too long, encountering the most obnoxious error screen imaginable. “Ouch! Something went wrong. Refresh!” Yeah, something did go wrong. You broke your site. You killed the golden goose. You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy Digg, not join them. Bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by PragmaticPulp on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:18AM (#27642614)
The Reddit mobile web experience is so obviously bad that I can only assume it's intentional.

There must be some huge incentive for Reddit to push users toward the mobile app. Most likely, the app allows for higher or more accurate monthly active user counts and enables more targeted advertising, both of which are critical to increasing advertising revenues.

Reddit is in a difficult spot because they're mostly an ad-supported business but their users are vehemently opposed to advertising and any forms of tracking. They have to tip-toe around all of the advertising and user tracking that they do. Strangely, their users mostly seem to give them a pass on the tracking. Their users are relatively trustworth, viewing Reddit as far more trustworthy of a company than Facbeook, despite the two companies having largely similar business models.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by ethbr0 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:25AM (#27642674)
I'd phrase it as "Reddit, the product" is fine.

"Reddit, the investors who bought the product" are in a difficult spot. And certainly haven't shown an overabundance of creativity in monetization approaches.

Suffice to say, you probably don't deserve a "front page of the Internet" tagline if your first display is a redirect request to your app.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by toomuchtodo on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:29AM (#27642709)
Reddit is a potential B Corp or non profit masquerading as a VC backed tech startup with exit or ad revenue potential. Bag holders get tired eventually.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by intended on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:25PM (#27643228)
Reddit is building the best content moderation tools for humans - by blundering in every possible direction, often in direct opposition to potential progress.

Mod tools and the data on what works is the untapped resource.

Every other major data or tool set for moderation is behind an NDA.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by dehrmann on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:44PM (#27643416)
This was my take at one point, but a lot of actions made it clear that's no longer the case, and it's now more of a social media site/app that also has porn.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by tayo42 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:34PM (#27643968)
Maybe more like porn ads, its like all attention seeking to direct people to only fans.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by Seattle3503 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:46PM (#27645158)
What bothers me about OF is that it has turned authentic communities into billboards. "Why are you entitled to free porn?" OFs defenders will ask as they completely miss the point of the communities they have hijacked.

As the saying goes: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by erhk on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:23PM (#27644455)
Owning reddit allows ypu to own public opinion through censorship,thats a pretty important bit of value and im sure tencent would agree
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by freebuju on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:40PM (#27645626)
Hate to break it to ya but the court of public opinion is strongly held by other platforms, most notably Twitter.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by MomoXenosaga on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:03PM (#27645310)
Reddit moderation is not unlike what China does only it's not considered onerous because it's self-censorhip.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by hi5eyes on Saturday June 26, 2021 @07:14PM (#27646887)
reddit regularly gets mocked by every other corner of the internet
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by rxhernandez on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:24PM (#27647958)
Hate to break to you but, every corner of the internet mocks every other corner of the internet. Even HN is heavily mocked on other sites.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by alexvoda on Sunday June 27, 2021 @05:08AM (#27649891)
I am curious if you have examples. What is hn or the hn community mocked for?
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by rxhernandez on Sunday June 27, 2021 @03:21PM (#27654415)
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by webmobdev on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:14PM (#27643735)

    There must be some huge incentive for Reddit to push users toward the mobile app.
- Data-mining: a mobile phone is a major repository of personal information that every advertising platform wants access to.

- Ad-Targeting: a mobile app has a lot of data points to create a unique "finger print" for each user.

- Conserving resources: a well designed mobile app can really save a lot of bandwidth and server resources for an online platform like Reddit.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by KeepFlying on Saturday June 26, 2021 @07:24PM (#27646950)
As a dev who works with telemetry in my day job I HATE when "better metrics" gets in the way of a feature or product improving.

(I also hate the pervasiveness of identifiable tracking but that's a whole different rant.)

You don't need to perfectly A:B test your two different offerings if that means preventing users from using the product in a way that best suits them. Stop putting shit behind "read more" buttons just because you want to see if people are actually reading your articles. Stop breaking things into multiple screens just so you can track your damn funnels. Better MAU _tracking_ (not even better MAU) does nothing for user experience and pursuing that at the expense of everything else is just plain foolish.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by rognjen on Saturday June 26, 2021 @08:00PM (#27647164)
Yeah, it becomes just about getting a "better metric" which is in fact a number that sounds better to others instead of using metrics to improve user experience.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by cranekam on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:07PM (#27643638)
Honestly I'm pretty glad that Reddit's UI is so terrible. I don't need more places to waste time on the internet.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by maest on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:13PM (#27643100)
If the changes are driven by their investor's desire to somehow monetise it, then this must be part of a longer term plan. So two questions:

1. How well is this working for them 2. If the answer to 1. is "not very", how long will they stick to this strategy.

They've been going at it for a couple of years now, so I imagine they're approaching the moment when they have to reassess how well things are going.

I wonder if we'll see a change of direction any time soon.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by 8ytecoder on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:45PM (#27644084)
I downloaded the app alright. Just not theirs. Apollo for iOS is such a pleasure to use compared to the Reddit app. They can’t even get the app experience right.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by farisjarrah on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:45PM (#27644663)
Apollo is probably one of the highest quality iOS and iPadOS apps around, Reddit or otherwise. The developer is super responsive to requests or criticism, and the app just works insanely well. It doesn’t have quite the same feature set as some of the other 3rd party android Reddit apps, like Sync, but everything on the app is exceptionally well designed and thought out.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by rognjen on Saturday June 26, 2021 @08:01PM (#27647168)
I'd assume it's going well. They aren't backing down in the slightest.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by zozbot234 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:32PM (#27643303)
> There must be some huge incentive for Reddit to push users toward the mobile app.

From what we hear, the app isn't even that well designed. It seems that many users are still using unofficial clients because the app can feel heavy and sluggish, with only a barely acceptable UX.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by Seattle3503 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:56PM (#27645263)
RIF is fun user myself. Like others have said, I haven't experienced these issues. If reddit shuts of the API I'm probably out.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by Qwertious on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:21PM (#27644955)
RedReader user here, can confirm. I don't even know what half of the complaints in the link are talking about, as they're largely problems with the "official" mobile experience.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by mirko22 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:55PM (#27645246)
It’s much easier to track user and adds they see on mobile apps then mobile web... So more money from advertising and selling people usage patterns and info would be my guess...
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by MomoXenosaga on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:58PM (#27645280)
Precisely. Reddit's customers are not the users but the advertisers.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by ss2f on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:08PM (#27644303)
Which is why I think alternatives like Lemmy[0] ought to up their UX/UI and mobile applications because on the backend, they offer much respectful design and since they are not after money, operate under less duress. Such alternatives offer real possibilities to challenge Reddit but they have a long way to go on user interface.

[0] https://join-lemmy.org/instances

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by ishiz on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:53AM (#27642371)
There is also a bug with the AMP pages such that the submission dates for the threads are often wrong. For example you're searching for threads that have been posted in the last month, some of the results will say something like "7 days ago" until you click and see it is actually 5 years old.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by CamelCaseName on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:01AM (#27642439)
Are you talking about a Reddit issue?

Google is notoriously bad at indexing the correct time a Reddit thread is posted.

I have no clue why this is, I assume perhaps it is seeing a different date somewhere on the page (e.g. the "recently viewed threads" box).

It doesn't seem to be directional either. That is, it's not just old threads pretending to be newer, but new threads also sometimes appear older.

This is why I don't attribute any malice to the issue.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by ishiz on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:07AM (#27642500)
I don't attribute any malice either. I can't remember where I read it but I heard somewhere earlier this year that Reddit was trying to fix it.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by dole on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:28PM (#27645006)
Just recently they changed the submission date display format from “7 months” to “7m”, not like that’s ambiguous at all.

One of my favorites is how it’ll load a basic profile with just your name, 0 karma and no subs when the site seems to be overloaded.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by xmprt on Saturday June 26, 2021 @05:49PM (#27646233)
Reddit has a MASSIVE security vulnerability with their AMP pages and I really hope they get in trouble for it because of how much they shove it down people's throats.

It's possible to visible quarantined or even banned subreddits through their AMP pages. From there you can still view deleted videos and other content through the autoplay "previews".

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by edgyquant on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:55AM (#27642926)
Yes this is so annoying. Looking for a thread within the last year doesn’t work and I always end up with 7-10 years ago
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by 00jimbo on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:47AM (#27642321)
speaking of their google results, let's also draw attention to the fact that they lie about post dates in google results to get you to click on a result from this week, only to click through and find that it's a post 7 years old
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by lazyweb on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:32PM (#27643309)
Yes! I've noticed that as well lately. So incredibly dishonest.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by shusaku on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:51AM (#27642898)
Every time I get annoyed by something like this, I go to the front page if Reddit, see that 90% of the posts are political advertisements disguised as viral content, and realize it’s a minor problem in the grand scheme. I just wish communities would make their own message boards again instead of coalescing on subreddits that they have zero control of.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by LeftHandPath on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:18PM (#27644400)
Reddit's design is what actively pushed me to Hacker News, the Risks Digest, and a healthy mix of paid news (WSJ, FT, Bloomberg, etc). The site is really being redesigned to enable astroturfing and user manipulation on a commercial level. Ads are made to look like posts, and sometimes the posts themselves are just ads.

I've come to the opinion that it's impossible for any free social media platform to avoid this unless the people running it are doing it as an act of charity. If you want to make money, you either make users pay or you sell access to / information from the userbase itself.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by bserge on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:54PM (#27645238)
Not defending Reddit, but it's the same with Facebook, and have you seen the Google Search results in a "developed country"? First full screen on mobile is ads that look like search results. Thankfully there's a small "ad" in the corner that no one can see.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by dorfsmay on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:15PM (#27644914)
Have you tried https://old.reddit.com ?
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by tmh88j on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:46PM (#27645678)
The day old reddit dies is the day I stop using reddit entirely. The desktop version is every bit as awful as the mobile version. For some reason they seem to think that seeing a few more posts or comments on the screen at page load is too much information to process, but taking up 1/4 of my screen with some pictures or videos is a better use of the space. Everything is so obfuscated and difficult to find. I can't stand it.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by contravariant on Saturday June 26, 2021 @08:50PM (#27647469)
For a website who's main predecessor bit the dust after a wildly unpopular redesign they didn't do a terribly good job of learning from the past.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by dorfsmay on Saturday June 26, 2021 @07:33PM (#27647010)
Same here.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by the_snooze on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:22PM (#27644960)
Shhh! Keep it quiet, or else reddit might remember that exists and kill it.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by davidivadavid on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:48PM (#27645187)
Kinda afraid of this at this point. I honestly have no idea how they can get away with the non-old version of the website which is one of the most unstable pieces of shit I've ever seen.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by Sunspark on Saturday June 26, 2021 @05:14PM (#27645942)
There is probably a special floor in hell where middle-managers roll around grating "in-no-vate!".
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by davidivadavid on Sunday June 27, 2021 @03:11PM (#27654317)
Today reddit chat doesn't work on either old or new reddit, and images aren't loading.

Like... How bad can they fuck this up?

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by ehsankia on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:59PM (#27645778)
old.reddit.com is great, but it has nothing to do with what's described above, which is google results. At least on mobile I think you're automatically sent to the stupid AMP page regardless.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by noobquestion81 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @07:54PM (#27647140)
Yes this is the way. What reddit has done to its own mobile experience is incredibly disrespectful, I couldn’t agree with this article more. Just... let me see your fucking ads?

Does anyone know a way on ios to forcibly redirect all reddit links to old.reddit.com?

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by GravitasFailure on Saturday June 26, 2021 @09:08PM (#27647580)
You could try browsing via i.reddit.com, which is an older mobile version, or a third party app with a better UI.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by m-p-3 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:11AM (#27642543)
What annoys me even more is that they kinda block the ability to read more /all comments when you're not logged in, at least this has been my experience so far.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by afterburner on Saturday June 26, 2021 @11:37AM (#27642780)
I've tried alternatives, and I keep going back to i.reddit.com for mobile. I've also installed extensions to deal with the bullshit on desktop.

My number one gripe right now is when using Google to search for stuff on reddit and use the time filter ("last week"), Reddit does not accurately report dates, and you get 4 year old threads showing up as "last week".

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by joecool1029 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @03:56PM (#27645253)
Regarding desktop, and even mobile. old.reddit.com still points to the previous version of the site. It's less than ideal for mobile but you can set this as the default site in your account settings. It's under beta section, need to uncheck box for using the new reddit site.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by DoingIsLearning on Saturday June 26, 2021 @01:44PM (#27644067)
fyi you can also append '.compact' to a reddit page to view the same mobile view as i.reddit.com
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by philjohn on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:15PM (#27643124)
Oh - it's even better than that - I've never got the "open in app" to work, it just opens the app store, despite having the reddit app installed.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by rdiddly on Saturday June 26, 2021 @12:06PM (#27643033)
I hate the fake folksy conversational tics like "Ouch!" Oh are you hurt? And who is the "you"?
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by ehsankia on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:59PM (#27645788)
Reddit is literally the worst use of AMP I've ever seen, and honestly probably plays a great part in why a lot of people dislike AMP. It honestly has no place using AMP in the first place since it isn't really a static page.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by seanmcdirmid on Saturday June 26, 2021 @06:32PM (#27646571)
You can avoid this by using old.Reddit.com, which doesn’t nag about an app and avoids all the real offensive UI design decisions.
Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by eulgro on Saturday June 26, 2021 @09:14PM (#27647612)
Do yourself a favor and install a third-party app: Apollo, RIF, Boost, Infinity whatever. A few are available on F-Droid. No ads or other bullshit, web links open in the app, which loads must faster than the website.

As long as Reddit maintain their API and keep it free, I'll keep using Reddit. If they ever drop it, there's not much chance I will.

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by pkamb on Saturday June 26, 2021 @02:54PM (#27644746)
The AMP page is mostly the same as the normal "new." Reddit mobile page... except worse in the AMP-specific ways.

So why does Reddit use AMP at all? I can only understand AMP being good for some news site where it gives you them a mobile site design "for free".

Re:Reddit’s disrespectful design by swiley on Saturday June 26, 2021 @04:33PM (#27645577)
I should write a thank you email to the guy who did the redesign, I know he's on HN somewhere. Nothing worked for my reddit addiction like that did.