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Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by tibbydudeza on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:40AM (#27589353)
Probably because it is 10 year old older hardware but thoroughly tested.

Using Chrome/JS/CSS on the latest Ryzen might be neat but when you need to transport 300 passengers daily around there is other sort of concerns then taking up 3 folks to the ISS every 6 months.

Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by jeltz on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:08AM (#27589819)
That is no excuse. It was possible to create almost instantly responsive UIs more than 20 years ago.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by qayxc on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @07:32AM (#27590368)
Since we don't know anything about the internals, it's safe to say the goal was "good enough and certified" vs. "snappy but no guarantees it works correctly 100% of the time".

This is an airplane after all, not a consumer-grade gadget.

Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by paavohtl on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:27AM (#27590785)
They might have different standards and I'm not a pilot, but in my opinion having multiple seconds of UI lag in vitally important interfaces is not good enough nor deserves certification.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by xnyan on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:31AM (#27592099)
The safety record for commercial airlines is extremely good per mile traveled as compared to pretty much any other form of powered transportation. At some level I share your concerns about UI lag, but it would seem not to negatively affect safety of flights in any detectable way.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by p_l on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:39AM (#27590896)
it's not considered vitally important interface, that's probably even the reason for the lag - higher priority tasks preempting it.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by justsid on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:27PM (#27599666)
This. The PFD and ND, the displays showing actually important data like the plane attitude, altitude and also another map responds immediately to changes. But the map shown in the video just isn’t safety critical and simply doesn’t matter in the worst case.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by curryst on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @12:43PM (#27606553)
Some of that may be due to redundant devices. You're waiting for at least 2 devices to return a reading, and probably a third thing that handles reconciling the results.

The speed of this thing doesn't seem particularly vital either. Everything of interest in a split second scenario is already on-screen; just looking at their speed, it would you a comparatively long time to get off the edge of the map. If you have time to get off the edge of the map, you have time to wait a couple seconds for the page to load. If you don't have time to get off the edge of the map, there's not really a reason to fidget with it.

I agree, it seems annoying, but it doesn't ultimately seem dangerous. I can't think of a situation where you a) need to change the screen, and b) don't have time to wait for the UI to update. And I would much rather have 2 seconds of UI lag to get a known correct response than milli/nano seconds of lag to get a probably correct response. Most of us exist in a world where the response time is more important than absolute correctness.

Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by teddyc on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:30AM (#27591351)
Agree. I supported a DOS based touchscreen Point of Sale (POS) with technology from decades ago and it was fast AF. You only got 256 colors and the fonts didn't look that great. But it was a speed demon.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by mastax on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:20AM (#27591951)
In an emergency situation, an unresponsive and unintuitive GUI may be very dangerous. Especially if pilots forget how to use it because they're using the iPad day to day but right now it's rebooting to install an update.

Like, I get the argument for certification but maybe the requirements should have a minimum level of performance. If that's not possible maybe we should find a different equilibrium.

Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by p_l on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @12:29PM (#27593747)
There are requirements for performance - appropriate to the function.

The electronic flight bag interface is not used in emergencies, one of its main uses is in planning and submitting flight plans before takeoff, and it's generally not used for actively flying the plane.

Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by 7952 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:44PM (#27596943)
Exactly. In an emergency the last thing the pilot wants to do is navigate a map interface for anything. Better to just select the alternate flight plan that was setup hours ago during flight planning.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by j16sdiz on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:52AM (#27592407)
That's why pilot are mandated to do simulation tests every few months
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by 7952 on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @04:39PM (#27596885)
That assumes that deep navigation of a UI is necessary or desirable in an emergency. I think most of the important stuff is done with the main controls, dedicated switches, and screens/dials that are always on and ready.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by rbanffy on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @05:30AM (#27589606)
It was certified as testes, so the lag has been there for the whole 10 years.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by sslayer on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @06:37AM (#27589993)
Dependability and reliability override responsiveness
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by netr0ute on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:46AM (#27591540)
Ironic, because responsiveness might inherently make it undependable because if you really needed to know where you are right now, that multiple-second delay isn't going to help.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by p_l on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:04AM (#27591739)
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate, in this order.

And the map isn't even part of the primary navigation method, plus with multi pilot crew usually you can offload slower, less time critical tasks to copilot.

Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by demarq on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @08:40AM (#27590906)
spacex already disproved this myth

have a look at the last manned mission they did. Glorious touch screen displays with all the bells and whistles.

Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by benhurmarcel on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @10:53AM (#27592412)
SpaceX doesn't certify to FAA/EASA, and also doesn't have to work for 30 years.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by alistairSH on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @09:59AM (#27591693)
SpaceX's crewed capsule is 5-10 years newer than the A350.

I imagine SpaceX has a different set of certification requirements (ie Airbus has stronger financial incentives to use existing, approved designs for components).

Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by mrweasel on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @11:22AM (#27592814)
Didn’ someone later confirm that there is in fact physical buttons below the touch screen, because you can’t actually use the touch screen with cloves on anyway.
Re:Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350 by crakenzak on Tuesday June 22, 2021 @02:59PM (#27595688)
the touch screens work with gloves they confirmed, the physical buttons are for backup.