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Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by HPsquared on Sunday June 13, 2021 @07:33AM (#27491681)
There are shades of grey on this kind of thing. Testing cosmetics seems a less painful ordeal than some of the more brutal examples given in the article.

Another thing. If animal testing was outlawed, the same testing would probably end up being done on poor people instead. Is that worse? I think so.

Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by StavrosK on Sunday June 13, 2021 @07:40AM (#27491708)
> If animal testing was outlawed, the same testing would probably end up being done on poor people instead.

That's... quite the leap. The entire point is that ethics committees are much more averse to human testing than to animal testing, so we're less conscientious about animal testing.

Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by tffgg on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:04AM (#27491827)
Since ethics has been invented for human society, there is no surprise for being averse to humans. Neither is that good or bad by nature
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by hungryforcodes on Sunday June 13, 2021 @07:41AM (#27491718)
In ... all countries?
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by thaumasiotes on Sunday June 13, 2021 @07:46AM (#27491744)
Yes, it's safe to say that, in all countries, people are more comfortable with animal testing than with human testing.

The quality of results from human testing is many orders of magnitude better; if you're willing to do it, there's no point in doing any animal testing.

Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by tffgg on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:01AM (#27491806)
1. He refered to countries using humans for testing being a leap

2. Using humans for testing makes no sense bc. animals are exactly used to avoid early testing on humans

Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by thaumasiotes on Sunday June 13, 2021 @09:10AM (#27492279)
What do you believe is the conflict between these two statements?

>> if you're willing to do [human testing], there's no point in doing any animal testing.

> animals are exactly used to avoid early testing on humans

These are two statements of the same idea.

Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by cheschire on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:02AM (#27491819)
Agreed. A lot of testing is already done on poor people who are tempted by the income from clinical trials.

If we remove animals from this process, the first time a lot of products will touch living tissue is during these trials.

Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by amelius on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:40AM (#27492051)
> Another thing. If animal testing was outlawed, the same testing would probably end up being done on poor people instead. Is that worse? I think so.

Also, some Asian countries would get a huge advantage as they don't seem to care as much about animal rights, unfortunately.

Anyway, it's a bad argument, but one that has to be taken into account as the practice won't stop anyway.

Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by foobar33333 on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:46AM (#27492114)
Or human rights
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by cute_boi on Sunday June 13, 2021 @07:50AM (#27491760)
I think this is a bad take. Poor people will be tested after animal testing so it is not that worst. There are many cases of this one example is [1]

Animal testing is unnecessary most of the time. Even when its necessary they are brutally tortured and after testing is over they are simply killed. But you know companies don't think animal deserves to live. We can use simulations etc but you know its hard to change culture.

1. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ethics-in-human-experimenta...

Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by giantg2 on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:06AM (#27491839)
The use simulations for many things already. That hell's them to determine what to test on animals in many cases, and still they have failures. It's very had to simulate things that we don't know everything about. That's why they do the testing.
Re:Animal testing is exploitative and largely ineffective by joshuaissac on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:39AM (#27492046)
> Poor people will be tested after animal testing so it is not that worst.

> Animal testing is unnecessary most of the time. Even when its necessary they are brutally tortured

If animal testing involves brutally torturing the test subjects, then surely it would be much worse for poor human test subjects if they are swapped in, compared to what they go through now. Those steps that involve torturous pain would have to happen with the human subjects instead of the animals.