It's one of those concepts that everyone understands, but there wasn't really a word for. It still kind of hurts by brain how no one can come up with a solid rebuttal to the situation (this is what the article's comment thread touches on). Which leads me to believe this is somewhat of a forefront in human understanding/psychology.
It's no different than the far-right unfalsifiable standards that were enforced for centuries, more often than not with religious overtones. Let's not pretend this is a left/right thing, so much as it's just an extremist thing. Only now, the leftist is using the outrage tactic just as effectively as the right, which has lost a lot of its moral high ground on most social issues.
Not sure what you mean. Examples?
I wouldn't say it's an extremist thing, considering the Kafkatrap setup tactic is being actively used by people with different degrees of leftness. It applies to any topic where one person/group claims/claimed to be a victim in any way/shape/form. My source article explains in detail.
We can argue about how genuine / common these threats really are, but at the end of the day I think it's fair to say at the absolute minimum that activists genuinely believe they are threats.
This seems like an odd thing to say. Is it meant as sarcasm?
Everyone has heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis, so I won't say anything about that.
But have you heard of the Sino-Soviet crisis of 1969? Allegedly (I'm neither a historian nor any other kind of authority on it) the USSR was going to launch nuclear missiles at China during a border dispute, and asked the Nixon administration to remain neutral.
Instead, Kissinger replied that the US would nuke hundreds of Russian cities in response.
This story appears to be reflective of the official Chinese Communist Party historical account.
https://www.scmp.com/article/714064/nixon-intervention-saved...
You may be mistakenly equating nuking of hundreds of cities with planetary destruction.
There were hundreds of atmospheric nuclear weapon tests during the cold war. If that had been the end of the world, we wouldn't be talking about it.
There's a wide spectrum of human behavior and responses to these issues, and this takes a tiny sliver of that and tries to pain the rest with the same broad stroke.
> Examples?
In just the last few decades? We have immigration, women's propriety and reproductive rights, civil rights, and the LGBT movement to name a few. The outrage comes mostly from one side, which has their own arsenal of rhetorical devices to paint opposition as morally bankrupt reprobates. Support same-sex marriage? Closeted gay or un-Christian heathen, destroyer of families. Won't pledge allegiance to the flag? Must be a commie. Women deserve equal pay? What a beta simp.
Both sides do and say stupid shit in their own stupid ways.
The sad and hilarious thing is that both sides are often wrong in what they advocate, but often right in their criticism of the other side. It's probably easier to recognise bullshit in others (than in oneself and) than to get stuff right oneself.
Since the "Kafka trap" thing isn't something he advocates but something he criticizes his opponents for using, I'd start from the assumption that it's among the (increasingly rare) things ESR is right on.
> things ESR is right on
Except he's not. The entire existence of "kafkatrap" is to paint an enemy and argument that doesn't exist, taking some random train of thought to it's logical extreme. Considering his bigoted comments on women, Islam, and African American's, I have very little confidence that he's coming from a good place.
For now I’m satisfied with the reversion to the mean of not talking politics at work
“Reversion to the mean” is probably a good thing insofar as it means “moderating ourselves”.
> creates a “not safe work environment.”
On the contrary, calling for censorship and heated nonscientific, political discussion on the workplace, esp. against conservatives, creates a non safe work environment. It also cripples science.
Formerly they were called out as religious zealots, not leftists.
I don't agree with this. Anyone who has been following politics has noticed the growth in the left's base, mainly from the college educated. A lot of these activists seem to be motivated by the (ironically) paternalistic notion that they know better than the groups they advocate for.
So in answer to your bullet points:
1) Veena Dubal
2) Uber drivers (I mean, I could be mistaken. Perhaps this professor of law moonlights as an Uber driver. If so, I would continue to argue that this is not her main vocation.)
3) She wants Uber drivers to be classified as employees
4) The majority of Uber drivers
5) Nothing and I never said they hadn't consulted. In this case, quite clearly they have consulted with the groups but have not listened.
Now, in the podcast, Dubal goes on to dispute the polling methodology of the various polls. Well okay, re-poll with your questions and present the data. The point I'm trying to make is that you don't ram through legislation before convincing the people you're going to affect the most that it's good for them. Educate and convince them first.
[1]: http://rationallyspeakingpodcast.org/255-are-uber-and-lyft-d...
[2]: https://www.uchastings.edu/people/veena-dubal/
[3]: https://www.investopedia.com/california-assembly-bill-5-ab5-...
[4]: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/513506-uber-poll-drive...
mainly from the college educated
What would you call going $200,000 into debt for a non-STEM degree?
College education is no sign of intelligence, it’s often the opposite.
I think a better strategy is to avoid engaging them in the first place.
The current state of social discourse is essentially landmines in the form of Kafkatraps[1]. Once there's any form of discussion on an unfalsifiable topic, it provides the leftist with a false sense of justification, simply because it was discussed...even if the leftist's reasoning made no sense and they lost the debate. Then they use the false justification to trick low-intelligence people into believing it's actually justified.
This has led us into a race towards the bottom within society, catering to the loudest complainer in the room. Crabs in a bucket.
Seems like the only real way to counter these unfalsifiable arguments is to call the person a fucking clown and tell them what a kafkatrap is.
[1] https://www.thedailybell.com/all-articles/editorials/wendy-m...