I’m sure I’ve written about it here before but it was wild how much the botox changed my quality of life to the point it was actually really upsetting to me at first. I had struggled for so long and I had to fight with insurance so much to get the botox covered (it was off-label at the time for TMJ, I think it’s approved now) and there had been a safe, simple, and highly effective solution that I sort of stumbled into out of sheer desperation, a lot of good luck, and a series of referrals on referrals on referrals.
Oh yeah, and much to my dentist & orthodontist’s delight, I stopped breaking my retainer in my sleep, stopped needing a mouth guard at night, and stopped needing special toothpaste for my sensitive teeth. But those improvements pale in comparison to the literal whole-body benefits.
I know it’s not going to be a magic bullet solution for everyone the way it was for me but the improvement was so night and day I have an almost compulsive need to bring it up whenever someone mentions they suffer from bruxism or migraines just in case it can put an end to their misery, too. So if you haven’t looked into it yet the potential upside makes it well worthwhile to bring it up with your doctor and/or dentist.
Or, if you happen to be in Massachusetts, give Dr. David Keith at MGH a call.
I’ve found other examples of ailments with relatively inexpensive or simple solutions that are unknown to many.
I think many people suffer to varying degrees simply because they don’t know some important piece of information.
Sometimes historical solutions overwhelm new or lesser known yet effective solutions and this prevents people from living better lives.
Sort of like how stack overflow is overrun with answers conflating jquery with JavaScript.
With health stuff, I think sometimes the friction and expense of seeing a professional prevents people from getting answers. Though sometimes these folks don’t have the most up to date or best information either.
It is almost like we need wikihow style answers for a far broader spread over life’s many questions.
In some cases like parent’s, this can be life-changing information. And while the procedure is not free the knowledge that motivates one to find a way to greatly improve one’s own outlook is.
I have not done botox. What i did was jaw relaxation exersices and physiotherapy. Its helped a lot.
I have a compulsive need to bring this up as well, I didnt understand it all was happening to me and starting to treat it has changed my life.
I've had all of this for years (more like decades) plus different additional symptoms and got diagnosed last year. The ongoing treatment is not for the faint of heart but symptoms are on the retreat since.
PS: I've grown up in rural Germany and also had close contact to cattle as a kid etc.
Most people have back problems, so that could just be concomitant.
I used to live in an area with endemic Lyme disease, but contracting that would've presented all kind of other horrible symptoms.
I also have SCDS, likely from pushing too forcefully on the loo, loud noises, air pressure extreme changes, high blood pressure/swings, and congenital thinness as confirmed on CT. The fix require a middle fossa craniotomy approach.
Would such an infection be able to explain chronic symptoms over a 1-2 year period?
Edit: forgot to answer your question. yes, in my case it was episodes of joint pain, neck stiffness, lightheadedness, heavy fatigue, numb fingertips, skin problems, heavy mood swings and more with symptom free times in between for more than 20 years - often triggered by stress but not always. And the symptoms got worse with me growing older.
The condition is not easy to diagnose and you need the right specialist, there's lots of snake oil out there and treatment is longterm and without a guarantee to cure 100%.
One ENT told me I had "allergies" when I said I could hear my left eye move in my head and he pretended he didn't find an Weber test extreme left lateralization. Another two ENTs found I have repairable SCDS as confirmed by high resolution CT and audiological testing.
Doctors who don't listen to you or BS you cannot be trusted with your life. Dump them and don't feel bad about it because they gave up on you first. There is no reward for loyalty. It's only your life.
These symptoms specifically: some at least, I believe. Lyme disease is fairly well known for having severe lasting effects though, years of issues even after treatment is not uncommon at all.
Yours,
Guy at the end of his enamel
Quitting laptops and using a proper desktop, or a laptop stand plus an external keyboard, was like toggling off the bruxism switch. It went off in a week. Plus, I stopped suffering from horrible migraines.
In order to repair your enamel a bit and keep what you have you may want to try toothpastes and creams that contain enamel-like ceramics. I've had spectacular results with a combination of calcium salts, fluoride and hydroxyapatite and ceramics (Novamin). There are better things to add up into the mix right now, such as self-assembling peptide scaffolds.
I think my doctor was somewhat unique (at least at the time) for doing the temple injections to treat TMJ and I think the temple is one of the injection locations used now when someone gets Botox for migraines. I know there were additional possible injection sites he used for more severe cases or where there wasn’t complete relief but I can’t recall where they were because I didn’t end up needing them.
How frequently does it need to be repeated?
I suffer horrific migraines. One day after someone mentioned TMJ. I started massage various points around jaw. Found an incredibly painful spot. Worked on it over 3 days until it stopped hurting. Migraines stopped. Several months later they started again. That same spot was bad again. Same results.
Botox is an another way to deal with it.
It’s my understanding that Botox weakens the muscle and people who clench/grind their teeth have very strong muscles so you kind of keep going until the muscle is atrophied(?) down to a normal strength. So I would imagine the earlier you go for treatment the shorter the amount time you’d require treatment and vice versa. For more severe cases there’s actually a visible difference in your face, too. It’s too subtle for most people to notice but I can look at photos of myself and tell you whether it was before or after I started botox. When your jaw muscles are so strong it makes your face more square.
Here’s a good example of what I’m talking about: https://www.realself.com/photos/botox/botox-for-tmj#media-ph...
I chipped / broke half of a crowded-out front tooth one night a month or so ago. My teeth sometimes chatter on their own at night.
My jaw is compact and massively internally-hypertrophic (reinforced) from a lifetime of bruxism. Also, masseters are jacked, teeth roots are extremely long, and my neck muscles are hypertrophic (no neck) too. I wonder if this is an evolutionary adaptation of a "fighter" body plan.
The problem is that the stuff with NovaMin is not typically available in the US. I just searched Amazon and found that they do sell small tubes of the real thing for about $14 each. Looks like it is coming from Canada.
https://www.amazon.com/Sensodyne-Protect-Whitening-Toothpast...
Here is a 2013 article:
https://ceramics.org/ceramic-tech-today/biomaterials/gsk-dro...
Another option for leveling up on toothpaste is using those that contain micronized hydroxyapatite. Options here are Carifree or the Japanese brand Apagard available on eBay or Amazon. Biomin’s formula is proprietary but it might contain hydroxyapatite in part.
I stopped randomly getting cavities after using xylitol gum occasionally and brushing with these various toothpastes, n=1.
There also exist a variety of oral probiotics that claim to rebalance mouth flora away from species that cause cavities.
While no dentist ever told me about any of these options, at least Carifree is starting to market through US dentists.
wow, just found this where they compared HAP to fluoride and found no difference: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41405-019-0026-8
I have novamin. I think it makes my teeth feel different. May be placebo.
A lot of people swear by HAP, novamin, etc. I suspect it all comes down to increased oral care and diligence though!
I definitely feel something too, like the surface is slicker.
(tooth chat at 5:10, but the whole video is interesting)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...
All prices under €4, but of course shipping rates are for local delivery and I have no idea if the sellers can ship abroad, most of them might not even speak a word of English, however here they are; making quite a big order would defeat the costs for shipping to the US, which usually are high.
PS. Novamin is Calcium Sodium Phosphosilicate as the active ingredient.
My dentist turned me on to Colgate Prevident and the regular Sensodyne fluoride pastes but never that one.
https://www.coredental.com.au/splints-dentist-recommend-one/
I mainly used it because sometimes I woke up hitting my teeth together really hard (it hurt a lot) but it was mainly due to stress. I really try to avoid that now, if I fail I may go back to using it :(
These lozenges will be great to get. I have pretty strong enamel though as they give all kids regular fluoride treatments. It really helped for me. I didn't have a cavity until the age of 43.
This is why you want one fitted across all your teeth by a dentist. And made out of a solid material so it continues to fit the same way rather than sharper teeth pushing down further. That way it sits properly and balances all of the tooth-tooth forces.
Having said all that, mine developed a hairline fracture and eventually split in two, but actually sits a bit better as two pieces until I get a new one made in a month.
All for nothing. Splint, or mouth guard in North America, caused me to develop daytime bruxism and it moved my teeth in such a way that my back teeth didn't touch firmly, which my brain wanted to resolve by biting harder.
If it's my enamel or my TMJ, I guess I picked my TMJ. Grinding with the splint made my jaw hurt more.
You dip them in hot water and then bite to form them, so they aren’t near your gag reflex.
How old are you?
I was the same until 34 years of age, that's when I bit down on a peanutbutter brittle piece from haagen daazs ice cream and broke my first tooth. After that the visits just piled on.
Now I have one root totally dug out and filled in, (root canal?) and one small hole filled in. I floss daily and brush daily now. I take it seriously. Don't be like me, take it seriously now!
The worst part isn't even breaking the tooth or the resulting surgery, but rather it takes a year or more before things are back to normal with an implant (they backfill the extraction site with bone powder that acts as a scaffold to regrow the jaw and prevent sinking, which takes a minimum of six months, then they install the screw the implant attaches to and a temporary healing cap to protect the screw while it heals, and then wait another six or more months before the final implant can be installed).
PLEASE take dental health seriously!
I was to the point where eating a room temperature banana in mid summer was too cold for my teeth. My dentist figured out it was the acid I was coughing up getting on my teeth.
I also grind my teeth but that's more mechanical the acid affects all surfaces of my teeth. Sensodyne toothpaste or similar helps a bit if I remember to not rinse it off.
Make sure you look into having something at night so your teeth doesnt wear further :)
I did find Meridol and Sensodyne Rapid Relief toothpastes listed on a national pharmacy's website that apparently contain stannous fluoride, so maybe I'll have to try those out at some point. I don't think I've ever tried either.
Has anyone tried those newer Japanese hydroxyappetite toothpastes? They aren't based on hydrogen peroxide. I recently started using this a few days ago.
https://www.amazon.com/Apagard-Premio-toothpaste-nanohydroxy...
This is a common condition whereby bacteria get between the gum and teeth. It starts with sticky "plaque" from food and saliva, which hardens into tartar, which can get below the gumline. Bacteria grows in the tartar, which in time causes inflammation. At this point the damage isn't permanent and will be fixed by a dental clean. The inflammation causes swollen gums, which may be sore when brushed, and in the longer term the bone around your teeth recedes away from the inflammation. The receding bone leaves gaps around the teeth, which exposes their roots, making them sensitive, and the gaps exacerbate the condition by providing the bacteria a difficult to clean safe harbour. At this point the damage is becoming permanent, but treatment can prevent it from becoming worse. Left untreated over a period of years, the bone recedes so much that your teeth become loose, eventually falling out. End game is false teeth or equivalent. It's possible for the swollen gums to cover up the other symptoms by the swelling gums temporarily filling the gaps left by receding bone. The disease progresses over many years, so it's easy to ignore until there are permanent effects, but early treatment (a dental clean) will make it go away.
In the years before permanent damage the only symptom can be an occasional gum soreness which goes away after a few days and doesn't seem worth worrying about.
As far as I can make out, brushing delays Periodontitis by slowing tartar buildup, but over a period of many years it's not enough and one has to eventually go to a dentist to get the tartar scraped off, so Periodontitis causing bacteria have less places to live. Basically no dental visits over a period of many years with a typical diet = Periodontitis with permanent effects.
I've had tooth sensitivity for a while, and this tootpaste fixed the problem for me
Some things I’ve tried that will help:
* Fitted mouth guard (splint). This reduces tooth wear and muscle pain
* Optirinse fluoride rinse. You can use this every day to reduce sensitivity
* Sensodyn with novamin. Remineralizes
* Face massage. I actually had a lot of tooth pain that was just referred pain. I grinded, my jaw tightened, this muscle tension hurt my teeth. When I pressed certain areas in my jaw and relaxed the muscle I felt the pain trigger, then dissipate. Some professional massage got rid of it fully.
I don't think so.
I really wish they'd hurry this up.
It's too late for those teeth but maybe I can save others.
I've been having some success with toothpaste with NovaMin (has to be purchased outside the US) and mouthwash that contains Dipotassium Oxalate Monohydrate. That is OTC in the US but you have to find the ones with it.
If someone had told me to remove the teeth because of the pain, I would have said yes.
I’d at least make sure that they tested your bite before you move forward with extraction.
I too have bruxism that is wearing down some molars severely. My grandfather wore his teeth down to about nothing.
My dentist suggested I get Invisalign for tooth crowding, veneers for small canines, and a mouth guard I can't tolerate at present). If had a workable mouth guard, I would do this lozenge thing. I feel sensation in my teeth and gums constantly.
I never did whitening because I always thought the risks were too great.
I want this so badly.
I've never had a cavity despite my poor dental hygiene habits and lack of dental practice visits but apparently I suffer from bruxism that can make half of my teeth hurt whenever I bite on anything harder than a wet noodle. Just now I brushed my teeth with a pain-numbing toothpaste and just the act of brushing my teeth made them hurt. Although sometimes I can go for some time without pain, it's been pretty much a constant in my life for the last years.