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Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by truth_ on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:18AM (#27324505)
I find LinkedIn really cringy. And I haven't seen ONE post there that actually added value to my life.

It is also toxic as hell.

But I know people who got employment offers from LinkedIn. So it adds value in that sense.

I just mute and block those influencers. And check LinkedIn maybe twice a week.

One of the things I cannot find any excuse for is how fake people are. They are behaving in a fake manner even when they don't have to.

Like, someone makes an IoT project (usually copied from GitHub), and markets it like this- "I was having X problem. I though why not solve it with modern technology? So I made this innovative blah blah copy of something".

Yuck. So cringy!

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by k__ on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:24AM (#27324531)
Guess, it's like Twitter. If you follow the right people you get good content.

The only thing bothering me on LinkedIn are the recruiters and that got much better in the last years.

Most of the time I use it to stay in touch with old co-workers and to syndicate my articles, which sometimes (2-5 times a year) leads to new clients.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by throwaway894345 on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:33AM (#27324573)
You can indeed curate, but I definitely get the vibe that cringe is the default mode on LinkedIn (which is still strictly better than Twitter’s default mode, toxicity).
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by whateveracct on Saturday May 29, 2021 @06:37PM (#27328808)
Curating LinkedIn is like curating the contents of my cats' litterbox.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by takkiinvincible on Saturday May 29, 2021 @08:08AM (#27324728)
What would a better social media platform look like in your opinion?
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by throwaway894345 on Saturday May 29, 2021 @08:23AM (#27324800)
In two words: “thoughtful” and “good-faith”. Content should be interesting and thoughtful rather than optimizing for clicks (obviously this isn’t compatible with an ad-based model). Dialog should be civil, charitable, kind, etc and strong norms for objectivity and neutrality. Low tolerance for overt ideological advocacy, authoritarian rhetoric, flame baiting, etc.

That’s “what it should look like”. To get there, I expect it’s “establish the right norms from the start and incentivize the right content and behaviors along the way”. To monetize, I don’t know and I don’t especially care.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by OminousWeapons on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:41AM (#27325955)
Off the top of my head, it would have the tone of Facebook before they allowed public accounts outside of schools and right after they introduced news feed, it would be aggressively moderated, and it would cost enough money per month that people would think twice before engaging in a behavior that led to an account getting banned or using bots. There would be an initial setup fee of at least $100 along with a monthly subscription fee, and getting an account banned would result in a total loss of your payments and deletion of your profile.

* Users would explicitly agree that their profile posts are subject to moderation.

* Profiles would be private and users would be heavily discouraged from using a real name. Friending someone else would require an out of band secret key exchange. A new key would be required to add each person to a group and the entire group would be informed when a new user was added. The only people with real visibility would be the mods.

* There would be no advertising or tracking.

* The service would be located in a country that doesn't immediately bend over for Five Eyes, China, or Russia.

* There would be no org pages or corp accounts.

* Anyone holding public office, running for public office, or affiliated with a political campaign would be explicitly banned from using it at the EULA level. Group pages with more than X members would automatically be flagged for periodic review, and obvious attempts at political organizing for a campaign or movement such as BLM or the Proud Boys (chosen purely as examples of political movements) would result in a ban for all affiliated accounts.

* Egregious (as in obviously intentionally hostile rather than ignorant or inadvertent) racism, sexism, bigotry, etc would result in a ban.

* Any attempt at bullying would result in an immediate ban.

* Any attempt at bulk data collection would result in your account being suspended and flagged for review.

You get the idea. Social networks should be about sharing fun content with your real life social network. They should not be about self promotion, BS drama, politics, disinformation campaigns, advertising, influencing, branding, etc.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by eru on Saturday May 29, 2021 @12:08PM (#27326153)
Interesting ideas.

> Any attempt at bullying would result in an immediate ban.

Alas, that turns accusations of bullying into pretty effective bullying.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by OminousWeapons on Saturday May 29, 2021 @12:27PM (#27326288)
Yeah, I should have said any accusations of bullying would be reviewed by mods.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by Retric on Saturday May 29, 2021 @09:55AM (#27325231)
Hacker News.

But for simplicity, moderation and downvote buttons would do a world of good.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by ta988 on Saturday May 29, 2021 @10:18AM (#27325399)
I don't think it would work on a platform on which people can organize to bully. That's an advantage of HN, it is hard to build such a community because of the lack of communication between users out of topics.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by andrey_utkin on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:22AM (#27325814)
Nothing prevents hn users from getting to know each other and communicate.

I attribute lack of evident destructive mobbing on hn to adequate moderation workforce.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by eru on Saturday May 29, 2021 @12:10PM (#27326160)
> Nothing prevents [...]

Oh, the power of small inconveniences.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by satisfice on Sunday May 30, 2021 @07:21AM (#27332424)
I pretty much don’t use unmoderated forums. (he said, on an unmoderated forum) But on any forum, the rotting stench of money draws many flies. That’s a lot of the problem.

BYW, how much do I get for posting this valuable wisdom?

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by mola on Saturday May 29, 2021 @12:24PM (#27326255)
A rolodex
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by dkdk8283 on Saturday May 29, 2021 @10:49AM (#27325599)
Real life.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by k__ on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:39AM (#27324599)
Maybe, social media curation is a skill that not many people posess.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by vlunkr on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:13AM (#27325754)
Maybe curating LinkedIn is a skill that not many people desire to possess. I have an account because it's expected when you're looking for a job. I'm not interested in articles about business or whatever the good content on LinkedIn is supposed to be.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by throwaway894345 on Saturday May 29, 2021 @07:48AM (#27324644)
The default mode is unrelated to curation. Curation allows you to opt into a different mode, but it doesn’t change the default mode.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by ghaff on Saturday May 29, 2021 @09:10AM (#27325000)
I find it pretty easy to skip past the recruiters and connection requests when I pop in from time to time. I just generally ignore all the random recruiter request that are way off target. (Though, in all fairness, my LinkedIn profile is very scanty.) And I'll rarely respond--usually with a polite no--to on-target ones given that I'm not really on the market. (And have never gotten a job since grad school decades ago that wasn't a personal contact.)
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by umeshunni on Saturday May 29, 2021 @12:15PM (#27326197)
Even if you’re only connected with your acquaintances, the algorithm ensures that many of the posts your connections like or comment on will show up in your newsfeed.

That's the bane of social media platforms where engagement is low (Twitter suffers from this too). There are very few content creators, and especial on a professional network, there isn't enough content generated to share daily, so to generate content, the platform needs to dig deeper into the bottom of the barrel and show you second-level engagement (ie friend of yours commented or liked some rando's content).

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by catillac on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:21AM (#27325812)
Well, one of the main recruiting tools we use when trying to find qualified candidates is LN. so we’ll search for “design” or “engineering” and specific companies and then largely source from LN. So if you want to get in touch with people hiring I suspect LN is a good way. Their tooling for recruiters is pretty robust and sometimes works as you expect it to as well.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by jokethrowaway on Saturday May 29, 2021 @08:32AM (#27324836)
It's useful to know what the ranges are in your location.

I never got a job through it though, real life networking and personal connections generally yield higher salary opportunities than recruiter-sourced ones (if you're planning to stay outside of FAANG)

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by conjectures on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:58AM (#27326074)
Never really occurred to me to read the feed on LinkedIn. I've liked about 3 things ever from people I actually know.

I get a fair number of interview requests through it though so it would have some value as a recruiting tool. Let's face it, CVs are a badly structured way of listing and distributing your employment history...

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by takkiinvincible on Saturday May 29, 2021 @08:03AM (#27324706)
You say you haven't seen a single post there that added value to your life. Hypothetically, if you saw a post that DID add value to your life, what would that post(s) look like?
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by dvfjsdhgfv on Saturday May 29, 2021 @09:35AM (#27325101)
Many post on HN added value to my life, and it happens on a regular basis. As for posts shared on LI, I mainly feel awkward reading them. You know that when someone suddenly got active on LI they either got fired or are looking for prospects. It's just a kind of weird game, more so that people basically have to use their real names and reveal their employment history in order to benefit from the site, so they're particularly vulnerable. Everybody knows this, so they refrain from poking fun at them.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by AJ007 on Saturday May 29, 2021 @10:01AM (#27325264)
It’s amazing how antithetical this is to requiring real identity. Proponents say anonymity is the cause of spam and all sorts of unwanted content online. Yet using one’s real identity can end up just being terribly inauthentic.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by slfnflctd on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:12AM (#27325749)
I never say anything I really think or feel under my real name which isn't utterly benign and uncontroversial. There is a profound sense of unsafeness when you're in full public view like that. It seems almost unavoidable that the end result is almost entirely watered down blathering.

I don't really see any antidote to this in our current environment other than operating as much as possible on platforms allowing pseudonymous accounts. If some unbalanced rando decides they really hate something I said, I'd prefer if they had to jump through at least a hoop or two before being able to tie it to my location or my family.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by Frost1x on Saturday May 29, 2021 @11:31AM (#27325884)
I use LinkedIn as a professional identity placeholder and online resume for HR groups. I ignore pretty much all the posts because much of what I've sampled has been trash.

I think anonymity is the real key here. It gives power back to those in leveraged positions to be critical when they otherwise wouldn't. Once you connect back to your real identify, you become as leveraged as you really are and act accordingly. You're not going to be as critical of information you really are because socially speaking, you may close off a bridge of opportunity. It becomes this ridiculous networking and social climbing game instead of focusing on content.

Anonymity is a double edged sword because it can certainly be abused and give garbage but I feel like you get better information through anonymity than actual identity. Both require sorting and filtering, one just seems to have more insightful information.

It's not unique to LinkedIn of course. LinkedIn posts often remind me of cringe worthy corporate meetings where you have disjoint groups in the same meeting or disconnected higher level people. It's often in your interest to say nothing at all than be critical, so you get all these sort of ridiculous discussions about nothing where everyone prices each other or some effort. LinkedIn posts embody this worthless grandstanding nothingness--that and just general advertising/marketing. We have a business culture problem, IMO.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by dvdkon on Saturday May 29, 2021 @12:32PM (#27326326)
It's interesting to see some people feel this way. I don't really filter my views in posts on the web compared to conversations with (not very close) friends. It does feel like that could very well come back and bite me, maybe I'll lose jobs over "supporting hacktivism" or whatever. I guess it's a risk I'm willing to take to share my ideals.
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by dvfjsdhgfv on Sunday May 30, 2021 @04:37AM (#27331648)
Yes, this depends on many factors, like how strongly you feel about the case, how controversial it is, if you have kids, mortgage and so on.

I'll never forget when many years ago my boss, by that time a CEO of some major publicly traded companies, called me to his office and kindly asked I moderate my Usenet activity on some niche group. It turned out he was a lurker there and foresaw certain things I said might cause problems - it turned out he was right. And that was a long time before the Twitter era.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by praptak on Saturday May 29, 2021 @08:54AM (#27324935)
My bar for adding value to life might be lower than GP's but I do get value-adding posts in my feed. It's basically boring updates from people but made less boring because I know these people.

A friend from a previous job now leads a project for company X. Someone else switched their tech stack to Y. Another person migrates from cloud back to on-prem.

It might have to do with my policy of not adding random people as connections.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by MattGaiser on Saturday May 29, 2021 @08:48AM (#27324909)
I get a reasonable amount of value from LinkedIn from when people post innovation challenges or want to set up talks with people interested in X.

But you are wading through a swamp to find those gold nuggets.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by specialist on Saturday May 29, 2021 @12:37PM (#27326370)
Late 2000s, I got a date thru LinkedIn. My romantic interest quipped "I'm glad LinkedIn's good for something." That was LinkedIn's high water mark for me.

I eventually cleared my profile (along with my other social accounts). I'll delete it outright once I'm confident my abandoned nym can't be repurposed into a sockpuppet.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by kazen44 on Saturday May 29, 2021 @01:27PM (#27326767)
at $job (inside a NOC), we used to joke that linkedin was the worst professional network,and the local network operator group IRC channel was the best channel.

It makes a ton of sense if you think about it, the people you want to connect with professionaly are people in the same workfield and their bosses. These people have A) far more intresting tidbits to share then recruitment and HR folk, and B) getting a job at their company is far easier if you they have some kind of clue of what you actually do during your previous job on a very fundemental level.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by smitty1e on Saturday May 29, 2021 @08:04AM (#27324710)
There is one former military bigwig on there that is interesting for international relations topics.

Which mostly underscores your point.

Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by fakedang on Saturday May 29, 2021 @05:59PM (#27328568)
Jim Stavridis?
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by smitty1e on Saturday May 29, 2021 @06:06PM (#27328610)
Ding ding ding. You follow him?
Re:Shameless Work Influencers Are the Bane of LinkedIn by fakedang on Monday May 31, 2021 @05:05PM (#27348008)
We are actually very well acquainted haha.