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Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by ArkanExplorer on Thursday May 13, 2021 @03:48AM (#27139479)
"Among steps that the authors recommend pregnant women and mothers take to protect themselves are avoiding greaseproof carryout food packaging, stain guards like ScotchGard, waterproof clothing that uses PFAS, and cooking products with Teflon or similar non-stick properties, though manufacturers often do not disclose the chemicals’ use."

I wish Governments would do their jobs and simply ban PFAS in all products used for domestic purposes. This is a huge burden to place on individual consumers.

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by mensetmanusman on Thursday May 13, 2021 @08:09AM (#27141189)
PFAS is as broad of a term as ‘nuclear’ in a sense. There are a range of different half-lives from hours to 10 years [1] (The term ‘forever chemical’ points to the 10 years-type that bioaccumulate).

The ons that have been identified with these long half-life properties have not been manufactured for many years (but they are still around due to their long half-lives).

[1]https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp200-c1.pdf

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by giantg2 on Thursday May 13, 2021 @09:33AM (#27141871)
Hours aren't too bad. Although we would still need to understand if they cause any issues in the body.

Anything with a half life of a year or more is concerning due to the near continual exposure. You'll accumulate it faster than you'll get rid of it.

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by filoeleven on Thursday May 13, 2021 @08:08PM (#27149097)
Endocrine disrupters (which these are) are bad at any level.

Don’t use alcohol-based disinfectants after handling heat-printed receipts, it makes the BPA absorption rate through your skin go way up.

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by giantg2 on Thursday May 13, 2021 @08:41PM (#27149298)
Soy is an endocrine disruptor and it's ok to eat in moderation. The same is true of fish with it's dioxin and mercury.

They aren't required to be eliminated, but minimized. I would be much more concerned with the duration of exposure (halflife) when working to reduce exposure given that it's impossible to completely eliminate.

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by CompMan411 on Thursday May 13, 2021 @05:35AM (#27140264)
I don’t know why they wouldn’t mention parabens and pthalates which are used in all sorts of cosmetics and self care products and don’t have to be listed as ingredients, often just showing up as “fragrance”. They are ‘forever’ and hormone disrupters. Pretty scary stuff.
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by sizzle on Thursday May 13, 2021 @07:56PM (#27149005)
What about “natural” flavors in ingredients. Always wonder what they are adding to Lacroix flavored water and other things we are ingesting.
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by gruez on Thursday May 13, 2021 @09:47AM (#27142030)
>avoiding [...] cooking products with Teflon or similar non-stick properties

I thought most/all of the PFAS is released during manufacture and not when it's being used?

edit:

wikipedia says

>Despite DuPont's asserting that "cookware coated with DuPont Teflon non-stick coatings does not contain PFOA",[91] residual PFOA was also detected in finished PTFE products including PTFE cookware (4–75 parts per billion).[87] However, PFOA levels ranged from undetectable (<1.5) to 4.3 parts per billion in a more recent study.[48] Also, non-stick cookware is heated—which should volatilize PFOA; PTFE products that are not heated, such as PTFE sealant tape, had higher (1800 parts per billion) levels detected.[92] Overall, PTFE cookware is considered an insignificant exposure pathway to PFOA.[93][94]

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by fodmap on Thursday May 13, 2021 @04:24AM (#27139748)
That burden is well documented in the movie 'Dark Waters' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Waters_(2019_film).

I really don't understand how some companies are getting off scot-free.

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by spodek on Thursday May 13, 2021 @08:50AM (#27141498)
Also watch The Devil We Know, which you can watch free at ThoughtMaybe: https://thoughtmaybe.com/the-devil-we-know.

The Intercept and New York Times cover the issue well.

Robert Bilott's book Exposure https://www.amazon.com/Exposure-Be-Confirmed/dp/1501172816 covers the story of the lawyer who successfully sued DuPont and is continuing that legal pursuit.

I also recommend my podcast with Robert Bilott: https://joshuaspodek.com/guests/robert-bilott

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by fodmap on Friday May 14, 2021 @05:25AM (#27152397)
Downloading your podcast now. Thank you.
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by DoingIsLearning on Thursday May 13, 2021 @04:18AM (#27139705)
> Avoid ...waterproof clothing that uses PFAS

Are they breathing in rain-proof coating? Are they rubbing it on their hands and ingesting it? Is it in the household air and it makes no difference to not wear it if someone in the household else wears it?

The mechanism is not made very clear.

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by LargoLasskhyfv on Thursday May 13, 2021 @07:11AM (#27140797)
The stuff gets brittle over time. Had a windjacket for bicycling where this happened after about a year of usage.

Then, one day coming home, out of the rain, pulling it off I wondered what all those tiny white flakes on my shirt were?

Didn't even realise it until I discovered it was that white inner lining :-)

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by dzhiurgis on Thursday May 13, 2021 @04:59AM (#27140018)
Wiki says household dust is indeed one of the sources...
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by driverdan on Thursday May 13, 2021 @09:52AM (#27142081)
All of the above. The coating wears off over time. It can be absorbed through the skin or breathed in as dust.
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by DoingIsLearning on Thursday May 13, 2021 @12:27PM (#27144045)
Is there, any info on the magnitude of these effects? As in wearing a North Face jacket versus eating from a pizza box every couple of months?
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by driverdan on Thursday May 13, 2021 @01:55PM (#27145105)
From what I've seen there isn't enough research to know for certain. There is correlation with the issues mentioned in the article but I don't think any research has confirmed the pathway for negative effects or the doses necessary to cause them.
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by exhilaration on Thursday May 13, 2021 @04:58AM (#27140007)
Does anyone know what greaseproof carryout food packaging includes?
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by londons_explore on Thursday May 13, 2021 @06:28AM (#27140554)
The same kind of peel off paper backing that stickers come on. Some people would call it "wax paper", although I don't think any wax is involved anymore...
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by DoingIsLearning on Thursday May 13, 2021 @08:07AM (#27141167)
So you mean those paper food boxes with a 'fat' resistant coating?

That's pretty much all takeaway food boxes, no?

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by londons_explore on Thursday May 13, 2021 @08:07AM (#27141172)
Yes.
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by fy20 on Thursday May 13, 2021 @09:25AM (#27141799)
It depends on where you get it from, but in general it seems like it's the same stuff.

https://www.consumerreports.org/toxic-chemicals-substances/p...

Cups are typically coated with polyethylene to make them waterproof, but I think I read somewhere that they are then coated with PTFE to make them slide apart easier when stacked.

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by boringg on Thursday May 13, 2021 @10:04AM (#27142215)
The level of PFAs during the pandemic must have just skyrocketed if this packaging is indeed a culprit.
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by ip26 on Thursday May 13, 2021 @03:18PM (#27146166)
Think of the formed paper bowls at Qdoba or similar fast casual. The ones that don’t seem coated yet magically don’t disintegrate when they are covered in oil.

I believe it’s specifically those, not so much things like butcher paper or soda cups.

Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by layoutIfNeeded on Thursday May 13, 2021 @05:41AM (#27140307)
Any kind of food wrapping paper or food box.
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by sizzle on Thursday May 13, 2021 @08:51PM (#27149358)
Are these the faux-cardboard impregnated with plastic lining take out boxes?
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by jerkstate on Thursday May 13, 2021 @10:28PM (#27149997)
Probably the same as “parchment paper” you get for baking - ptfe
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by driverdan on Thursday May 13, 2021 @09:53AM (#27142092)
A universal ban doesn't make sense but removing it from all food products does.
Re:Study finds alarming levels of ‘forever chemicals’ in US ... by mc32 on Thursday May 13, 2021 @10:40AM (#27142588)
So... are “ceramic” coatings ok? And are we back to styrofoam packaging to be safe?