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Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by nradov on Sunday May 09, 2021 @11:57AM (#27097033)
Smaller trucks are available for those who want them. Most buyers prefer larger trucks.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by anigbrowl on Sunday May 09, 2021 @01:26PM (#27097817)
Where are they? Look at these explicitly 'small trucks': https://www.motortrend.com/news/best-small-trucks/

What am I supposed to search for, small small trucks? Trucks that are actually small? Looking for cheap trucks still delivers large vehicles, just with fewer features: https://www.motortrend.com/news/cheapest-pickup-trucks-frill...

I even searched 'smallest trucks' and...guess what. The Honda Ridgeline seems like the most compact but they're all pretty chunky. https://www.web2carz.com/autos/buying-and-selling/8257/these...

If you suggest used trucks, that just shores up the point that manufacturers keep building bigger trucks. Please show us these small trucks of which you speak, even if they're more expensive or whatever.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by phonon on Sunday May 09, 2021 @06:06PM (#27100273)
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by anigbrowl on Sunday May 09, 2021 @07:58PM (#27101066)
IT's still chunky but it's cute.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by salawat on Sunday May 09, 2021 @03:47PM (#27099085)
You won't find small car footprint trucks anymore because of CAFE standards. The small size pickup is infeasible to get to happen while still getting "truck" performamce characteristics at that size. At least as far as I understand, that and safety requirements are the main driver of truck size increases over time.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by anigbrowl on Sunday May 09, 2021 @07:57PM (#27101058)
To honest, when I think of a small truck I just want something with about the power of a sedan or estate car but with a flat bed instead of more seats. I get why people like big trucks, but I think there's a lot of people who want storage space without necessarily needing massive towing power.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by CRConrad on Monday May 10, 2021 @04:24AM (#27103824)
Like the first-generation (scroll down) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Caddy
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by xdrosenheim on Sunday May 09, 2021 @02:32PM (#27098410)
> What am I supposed to search for SUV?
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by NegativeLatency on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:03PM (#27097079)
The Toyota Tacoma is now the size of older F150s, there aren’t many or really any good options for buying a small truck currently.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by dillondoyle on Sunday May 09, 2021 @05:14PM (#27099820)
And it's so hard to find a 2 door. A giant 4 door with a HUGE cab, but a tiny bed?! What's the point of that over an SUV.

I'm buying a car for first time in a decade. I used to want to dirtbag out of a tacoma and have been looking for one but it's hard. Even a 13 year old one seems big - and also crazy expensive ;)

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by OldTimeCoffee on Monday May 10, 2021 @07:29AM (#27104762)
Because companies aren't buying trucks anymore, they're buying vans instead. Manufacturers have realized that people are buying trucks for their daily driver, so they've optimized the product around that. They've moved to a more car-like comfortable interior and they've stopped selling the regular cab (2 door) models because they don't sell. They pretty much make mostly double cabs because you need a backseat to drive around kids (again, car like). The 5 foot bed is fine because you're not hauling a 4x8 sheet of plywood anymore and a 8 ft 2x4 fits diagonally fairly comfortably.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday May 09, 2021 @05:43PM (#27100098)
The old Ranger was the last small truck in North America. A clean, low miles 2011 would still have some good life left in it.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by dillondoyle on Monday May 10, 2021 @02:04PM (#27108927)
i havent seen that one been focused on toyota. It sounds reliable? That's the old size I love!

For you what would be the max miles you'd buy a Ranger? A tacoma?

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by kevin_thibedeau on Monday May 10, 2021 @04:58PM (#27110820)
I have a 2004 that has done 210K in rust country. They can last to 300K. I would shoot for anything less than 80K. Many retirees buy them and leave them garaged with little miles put on. the 4 liter engine was made in Germany and comes with upgrades to the transmission internals. The truck is half Mazda and benefits from that relationship (unlike on the car side).
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by dillondoyle on Monday May 10, 2021 @08:38PM (#27112781)
thanks for the info! Buying cars is hard. I know nothing about cars and haven't owned one in 10 years so trying to learn. Getting one so i can get out climbing outside more (mountains) so that's why I was leaning toward a tacoma with the larger engine. The climbing gyms here are no joke 10% 100k+ sprinter vans, 40% subaru, 20% tacoma, the rest mixed ;)
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by Snoozle on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:11PM (#27097137)
Can you give examples of model years and decisions to back up your claim? Last I checked this (common) misconception is patently false.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by 9000 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:35PM (#27097348)
> Can you give examples of model years and decisions to back up your claim?

Actually, I think the burden of proof is on the GP who made the original claim that there are plenty of small trucks for those who want them. Additionally, it's easier for them —or you— to provide a single example of a common small truck than for the parent to provide a comprehensive breakdown of the sizes of all trucks over decades of model years. Plus, they have already pointed out the Tacoma, at least, as having grown.

> Last I checked this (common) misconception is patently false.

This is merely an assertion with no more evidence than the parent. To flip your question: Can you provide examples of small truck models to back up your claim?

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by Snoozle on Sunday May 09, 2021 @05:13PM (#27099812)
No, I'm not the one claiming a modern Tacoma is as big as an old F150. Why is the burden on me to prove information presented as fact with no supporting evidence?
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by 9000 on Monday May 10, 2021 @12:38AM (#27102753)
Well, the burden of proof is on you for saying that there are small trucks on the market. But, it turns out that the complaint about the Tacoma is spot on.

The Tacoma's weight has increased from the 3155 lbs. - 3877 lbs range when it was first released [0], to now being in the 4,425 lbs. – 4,480 lbs range [1]. In comparison, the 2020 Ford F-150 weighs in the range of 4,069 lbs – 4,653 lbs [2]. For fairness, a Ford F-150 from 1995, the first year that the Tacoma came out, weighed around 4,316 lbs [3]. So, they are in fact the same weight.

Similarly, the length of the Tacoma was 30-40 inches shorter when it was released [0][1]. Now, it is within the range of a modern F-150 [2].

In conclusion, the Tacoma has increased substantially in size since its introduction (the Wikipedia page mentions it was reclassified from a compact pickup to a midsize pickup), and is now on par with a Ford F-150 (both modern and the 1995 version) in terms of weight and length.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tacoma#First_generation... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tacoma#Third_generation... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series_(thirteenth_gene... [3] https://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/1995/features-specs/

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by look_lookatme on Monday May 10, 2021 @01:25AM (#27102995)
Couple of notes. Length numbers are more like 10-15 inches different between generations if you account for trim configurations. Single cab trucks just aren’t sold anymore which is separate from this discussion. The Taco is also more narrow than an F150 which I think is relevant to this discussion.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by miked85 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @03:54PM (#27099150)
What small trucks even exist anymore? There used to be lots of options, but I can't think of a single one in the last decade at least.
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Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by OldTimeCoffee on Monday May 10, 2021 @07:09AM (#27104649)
1990 wasn't a Tacoma, it was a T100/Pickup. The Tacoma was introduced in 1995. It weighed 3155 lbs for a 2WD in 1995 not 2700 lbs. You're also comparing the Regular Cab to the Access Cab for length. Regular isn't made anymore (because it didn't sell), but Regular to Regular is 174 to 190 (2004-2015).
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by Snoozle on Sunday May 09, 2021 @03:51PM (#27099125)
Okay wise guy: A 1990 f150 crew cab is 74" high, 232.2" long, and 79" wide. A 2021 Tacoma crew cab is 212" long, 71" high, and 74" wide.

This proves false the the assertion that a modern Tacoma is bigger than an old F150, but glad I could get downvoted by people with no mental rigor.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by dang on Monday May 10, 2021 @04:24PM (#27110471)
Please don't reply to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. Your comment would be just fine without the swipes at the beginning and end.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by dahfizz on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:08PM (#27097119)
Can you give an example? Modern "compact" pickups like the Tacoma are significantly larger than something from 20 years ago like an S10.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by OldTimeCoffee on Monday May 10, 2021 @07:00AM (#27104613)
A 1995 Tacoma xtracab length was ~ 200 inches. Today's Double Cab is ~ 212 inches. The Tacoma really hasn't changed in length in over 25 years. They have gotten about 10 inches wider in 2004 and a few inches taller (every model is the Off Road height now).

Side note, no one would call a Tacoma "compact". It was a small pickup in 1995 when it was introduced and now people call a 'midsize' truck.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by systemvoltage on Sunday May 09, 2021 @01:06PM (#27097637)
Cars are getting larger in general, not just trucks.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday May 09, 2021 @05:49PM (#27100159)
Most "cars" in the US are classified as trucks so that fuel economy regulations can be gamed. It's all been downhill ever since the PT Cruiser managed to get a truck designation.