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Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by ArkanExplorer on Friday March 26, 2021 @04:59PM (#26596872)
I don't understand why Americans buy these kind of (expensive) processed and branded food products. Why not just buy pasta, the cheese (grate it if you want) and some other seasoning, as the raw individual ingredients?

From there you can add chicken and fresh herbs.

If you have a modern electric pressure cooker these kind of things are super simple to make, and with glass tupperware you can store and eat it over the next several days.

Or am I missing something - are these branded products somehow cheaper than these recipes?

Note: I am from Ukraine.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by yellowapple on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:45PM (#26597347)
Having come from a working class American family (one which considered even Kraft, let alone Annie's, a luxury), it's the intersection of four aspects:

1. Cheap; yeah, pasta is cheap either way, but real cheese (at least the sort that'd actually be decent in mac and cheese) often ain't

2. Non-perishable; this means we could buy in bulk and not have to worry so much about shelf life, further amplifying Aspect #1

3. Quick; if you just came home from a long day at work, you're not likely to have the energy to prepare some elaborate home-cooked meal every night, so the trusty 'ol blue box it is

4. Easy; one of the first things I learned how to cook when I was growing up was packaged mac and cheese (be it Kraft or some generic brand) - all the ingredients except for water (and, optionally, milk/butter) are right there in the box

These four aspects are applicable for a lot of prepackaged food here in the US. Even if you do add other ingredients (milk/butter to Kraft Dinner, ground beef to Hamburger Helper, etc.), having most of it already ready to go - and cheaply at that - is a godsend for any working class family. And sure, this didn't mean we always ate the prepackaged stuff (my stepmom and stepdad both happened to enjoy cooking from scratch on various occasions, and sometimes it is indeed cheaper to go scratch-made than prepackaged), but it was indeed a staple.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by Swizec on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:57PM (#26597457)
> Quick; if you just came home from a long day at work, you're not likely to have the energy to prepare some elaborate home-cooked meal every night, so the trusty 'ol blue box it is

Mac&cheese is quick. Even from raw ingredients.

Maybe this is cultural, but growing up in Europe with a single-mom who worked 2 jobs ... we had homecooked meals only. Store-bought pre-packaged stuff was too expensive and unhealthy.

Takes about 20min to cook a nice weekday meal based on whatever's in the fridge. You pack the fridge on weekends.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by senkora on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:11PM (#26597610)
I predict that store-bought pre-packages meals will become more common in Europe over time.

I think there’s a clear pattern of food cultures being hollowed out over time. It’s great if your parents know how to cook well and you can learn from them, but eventually that chain breaks when a child would rather buy their food than learn to cook it. Making things from scratch is hard and time-consuming if you don’t know how to cook. At that point store-bought meals are sometimes the best remaining option.

The United States gets a lot of flack for being the first country to encounter a lot of issues because we were the first to widely industrialize food, but this will happen everywhere.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by sgtnoodle on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:44PM (#26597892)
It's definitely a lifestyle/mindset and convenience thing. I can make a delicious, more nutritional mac and cheese from scratch in about the same time as from a box and I often do. It requires my attention for 3x as long, though, and dirties twice as many dishes to wash up afterwards (I use a saucepan to prepare a roux to make a smooth, less calorie dense sauce.) If my toddler is melting down from hunger, it's less stressful to whip up box mac and cheese.

Many people don't realize how easy cooking staples can be and are intimidated, or lack the interest to figure it out. That likely correlates strongly to the lifestyle they were raised in. Also, most folks' psyches seem tightly coupled to the foods they were exposed to at a young age. If someone was raised eating Kraft, that's naturally what they'll think of as mac and cheese, and they may never revisit that association as an adult.

Scratch / improvised cooking is a skill that takes practice to be good at. Personally, I enjoy it as a hobby. My mom cooked a lot, but made very bland food. I regularly pick out a random food I enjoyed from childhood, then figure out how to make it authentically. Last month I figured out perogies (I cheated on the mashed potatoes). Last week I made a delicious seared lamb with fennel and tomatoes (I've been watching a lot of Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares lately). Over the last two years I've optimized my sourdough technique to the point that it's boring (although I still wish I could get a more sour flavor!) I learned how to make proper wood fired pizza in Italy before COVID, and I'm still enjoying optimizing that at home, and starting to experiment with sicilian style.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by yellowapple on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:15PM (#26597647)
> Takes about 20min to cook a nice weekday meal based on whatever's in the fridge

It takes half that to prepare it from a box. And most of that time is waiting (either for the water to boil or for the pasta to cook).

And further, you know what you're getting with the blue box. Less risk of messing up, and less painful if you do somehow catastrophically mess up.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by leetcrew on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:07PM (#26597563)
so first of all, there's really no way mac and cheese is healthy unless you serve it with a side of brussels sprouts. it's comfort food.

aside from that, I think there must be some regional price differences here. a box of annie's mac and cheese is like $1.50, which goes down if you buy in bulk. if you're fancy you can add a pad of butter and/or some whole milk, but otherwise that's $1.50 to feed two people. an 8oz block of cheddar cheese is already $2 at target, and you still have to buy the pasta, milk etc.

mac and cheese is a surprisingly expensive food to cook at home though. I could definitely make a rice and beans for less money.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by Swizec on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:15PM (#26597648)
> an 8oz block of cheddar cheese is already $2 at target

Well there's your problem! A portion of cheese is 1oz :D

That's 880 calories for $2. Pretty good imo

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by mattkrause on Friday March 26, 2021 @08:02PM (#26598454)
Few places will sell you a single ounce of cheese (especially the commodity kind).
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by Swizec on Friday March 26, 2021 @09:09PM (#26598892)
Cheese keeps in your fridge for weeks and is good for multiple recipes :)
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by tenacious_tuna on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:14PM (#26597027)
> why Americans buy these kind of (expensive) processed and branded food products

(1) as other commenters have mentioned, these products tend to be remarkably cheap in money (~$0.50/serving) and are shelf-stable

(2) the USA has a rather poor culture around food preparation, in my experience--especially in poor households. When money and especially time/effort are in short supply, boxed meals (or fast food, etc) are absolutely essential, especially when juggling multiple jobs/kids/whatnot. Shelf-stable is an added bonus, allowing these to be stockpiled when on sale. Further, boxed mac (or canned soup, etc) are things that can be trusted to a child to make while unsupervised: again, a huge force-multiplier for busy households (parent taking kid 1 to sport, kid 2 alone at home, or kids 1&2 home alone while parent at work, etc)

Even when time and other resources are available, many Americans simply aren't very interested in preparing their own food, especially not if they're a single-person household. After a day of work, with nobody to share the bounty of cooking with, it's difficult to argue putting the time/effort/creativity into a meal vs. 15 mins over the stove with some premade stuff.

I say all this as someone who adores cooking, and finds it remarkably good stress-relief. I have a partner I can share dishes (and responsibility) with, and we love a variety of cuisines and being capable of making our own healthy food--but even so we also both love being able to make boxed mac for lunch every now and again. It's simple, and a hell of a lot cheaper than eating out.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by mulmen on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:09PM (#26596978)
The branded/boxed food is cheap and predictable. Your "simple as" process is three times as much work and five times as many ingredients and likely more expensive. After a long day assembling F150s or getting screamed at about how hot or cold some coffee is working class Americans just want to fill their stomachs and pass out. People don't want to figure out what kind of cheese to melt. They aren't delighted by a new kind of noodle. Modern electric pressure cookers are... modern, I didn't even know these things existed five years ago. People have their habits. These specialty appliances are also expensive. They also require a lot more cleanup than a single pot.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by ArkanExplorer on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:13PM (#26597013)
Electric pressure cookers require less cleanup and effort than 'traditional' cooking. Just clean the pot and wipe down the lid.

You don't need to monitor the progress of boiling, you just pre-set the timer. The food comes out perfectly cooked and ready to eat.

In the recipe I described above, you can cook everything in one pot - just add olive oil and the chicken in the bottom - it is not even necessary to cut up the chicken.

I am a bachelor and cook almost 100% of my meals using a pressure cooker now. I rarely order takeout, it is so convenient.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by mulmen on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:16PM (#26597052)
> Electric pressure cookers require less cleanup and effort than 'traditional' cooking.

I own one, I use it all the time. This is false. I have to remove the seal, disassemble a valve and remove some components. A pot for mac and cheese just gets tossed in the dishwasher.

This is especially false when you want to grate cheese (now I have to clean a cheese grater).

Electric pressure cookers do not reduce the cleanup or prep at all. It replaces one pot, everything else is the same.

Compare this to boil water, dump in a box contents, wait a few minutes. Clean ONE pot and ONE spoon.

Every oven/cooktop I have ever used has a timer.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by dekhn on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:58PM (#26597477)
I haven't had to clean the pressure cooker the way you describe (the seal and valve) until my wife used the cooker and didn't know that you can't fill it up too much or it will spew hot liquid through the vent when you turn it from "sealed" to "vent". I had used the cooker for over a year with only popping the pot in the washer (and because it doesn't have handles, it fits in the washer).

My oven and range do not have a timer. It's beautifully simple. Also, I buy grated cheese to avoid cleanup. That's one of my extragavances.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by mulmen on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:03PM (#26597525)
This is the manual for my Instant Pot: https://instantpot.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Duo_Crisp_...

> Wash after each use with hot water and mild dish soap and allow to air dry, or place in top rack of dishwasher.

> Remove all parts from lid before dishwashing.

> With steam release valve and anti-block shield removed, clean interior of steam release pipe to prevent clogging.

I also had to buy extra seals so my beef barley soup doesn't taste like chili.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by bravura on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:38PM (#26597268)
Instant Pot has been too much work in my opinion, but sous vide has been a lifesaver. Easy prep, easy cleanup, large margins of error on cooking time if you want to eat in 1-4 hours etc
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by exdsq on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:03PM (#26597529)
I love my sous vide but if you want to get the Maillard reaction (the thing that causes your food to brown and gain umami) you need to still fry or grill your food. Ends up with extra dishes, albeit totally worth it.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by yellowapple on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:50PM (#26597394)
Hell, nowadays there are plastic "instant mac" bowls that are pre-measured to cook the noodles in the microwave.

1. Add noodles

2. Fill to line with water

3. Microwave for 2:30

4. Stir

5. Microwave for 2:00

6. Stir in cheese powder + liquid (butter, milk, or water, in my order of preference)

7. Serve

Only one bowl to clean.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by r00fus on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:21PM (#26597699)
YES! My kids do this themselves (our micro is mounted at waist height and easy for kids to access). They use microwave all the time to reheat leftover dinner for lunch too. Heh - my school-at-home kids are a lot like my coworkers in the office.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by HeyLaughingBoy on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:13PM (#26597012)
Short answer: time and effort.

I'm the main mealmaker in my family. I generally like cooking, but I get tired of doing it every day. Processed stuff like Rice-A-Roni or Kraft Mac & Cheese, or frozen pizza takes single minutes of my time and only the most minimal effort and will generally be eaten without complaint.

As for cost, these items are pretty cheap averaging $1 or $2 per meal for three people. Maybe add some meat for another $2. That said, ISTR that Americans pay proportionally less of their income for food than anywhere else in the world, so food, processed or not is fairly inexpensive.

Yeah, I know there are other cheap, fast meals I can make starting from raw ingredients: I'm a fairly good cook. However, as I mentioned above, sometimes I simply don't feel like it.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by roland35 on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:17PM (#26597059)
When I was a kid, I used to love Mac and cheese dinner night! Now as a parent, I love Mac and cheese night even more! I can get both kids fed in 5 minutes and everyone is happy.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by mynameisash on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:09PM (#26597592)
I don't disagree, but I think a lot of people have skewed perception of cost and effort in cooking. The two complaints I hear from people are generally, "But I don't know what I'm going to _want_ to eat until it's dinner time!" and "It's too hard/I don't know how to cook."

I love to cook and bake, though I have the luxury of doing it when I want to. (My wife usually does most of it). I can make a batch of bread dough for three baguettes in under three minutes. Letting it rise takes no time, though it does require some foresight. Baking is only a few extra minutes of additional effort. I think I calculated that one baguette costs me about $0.17 of ingredients, almost all going toward flour, which I buy in bulk. It's also delicious - frankly, much better than anything I've bought anywhere else except for the boulangeries in France.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by StrictDabbler on Monday March 29, 2021 @12:29PM (#26624274)
Do you have a Kitchenaid or similar mixer, a large sink, counter space, nice cupboards, an assortment of pans/bowls, a quality oven and a dishwasher?

I learned to bake bread as a child in my mother's kitchen, equipped with all these amenities. I made some fantastic bread.

I tried it again as a young adult in a small apartment with no dishwasher, a tiny sink, mixing the bread entirely by hand, kneading it on the one corner of a counter not occupied by the microwave, then hand-washing the mixing bowl in a sink with a non-spray faucet while the dough rose before baking it in a cheap oven from 1992.

My apartment was not shitty. Many American adults are currently raising their children in equivalent apartments... more bedrooms, no significant kitchen space, no tools.

A kitchenaid mixer is 1/4 of a month's rent for most.

"Three baguettes in under three minutes" ignores every externality involved in the process.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by mynameisash on Monday March 29, 2021 @05:03PM (#26628143)
Actually, I mix everything by hand, have fairly limited counterspace, use mixing bowls from Goodwill and a run-of-the-mill electric oven. I don't deny that I have certain privilege, but my baking is _far_ from privileged save for having an upbringing in which I had a mom that did a lot of baking and was patient with my 'helping out'.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by natdempk on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:27PM (#26598221)
Can you share a recipe for this please? I’d love to make quick and delicious baguettes!
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by mynameisash on Monday March 29, 2021 @05:00PM (#26628110)
Apologies for missing your question. Here's the link for my recipe[0]. It's really easy, but I think keeping the dough moist and the oven sufficiently humid is quite important. Fortunately, that's generally hard to mess up. Bonne chance !

[0] http://www.dingostick.com/2017/10/recipe-french-bread.html

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by psychometry on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:12PM (#26597006)
It's the new American Dream: Working a 9-hour day at one job (or at multiple jobs), spending an hour commuting because you can't afford to live closer to work, lacking access to fresh ingredients because your house is in a food desert, and having a family to feed. Box mac and cheese is the answer.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by incanus77 on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:05PM (#26596923)
Besides laziness, which is never in short supply here, her product is shelf stable and keeps for a long time, unlike un-dehydrated fresh cheese.

Also, cost probably is a factor. Even Annie's, which is more of a "premium" brand, can be had for around 1$ US per box, which could feed two people or so as part of a meal.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by sharkweek on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:08PM (#26596970)
Simpler than that: (and apologies in advance for confessing to having a basic palate here) boxed mac and cheese is pretty tasty.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by leetcrew on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:15PM (#26597036)
I'm kinda embarrassed to admit that annie's shells with white cheddar is better than any mac and cheese I've made from scratch. and I've tried a lot of recipes.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by sharkweek on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:19PM (#26597077)
Hey, take SOME credit here, you had to mix all the boxed ingredients in a pan!
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by oivey on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:36PM (#26597254)
For one, you can’t make mac and cheese with just pasta, cheese, and seasoning. The cheese won’t melt correctly. You need to make a roux or use a modern method like incorporating evaporated milk or sodium citrate. Lack of knowledge of how to cook is a big reason why people buy this stuff, on top of convenience.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by rng_civ on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:15PM (#26597641)
I've gotten some pretty good results just using the left over pasta-water with some flour.

AFAIK, the cheese I'm using doesn't have anything particularly special (some cheap hard cheddar). I don't even grate it, just chop it up a little before adding it to the water.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by oivey on Friday March 26, 2021 @10:01PM (#26599187)
Flour is the key component in a roux. The only difference is cooking the flour in some butter to remove the raw flavor. FYI, that combination is called a béchamel sauce.

Edit: actually béchamel had some milk also, but yeah

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by bluedino on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:44PM (#26597335)
This is where Velveeta comes in
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by maxerickson on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:40PM (#26597291)
Pasta and cheese that isn't in a sauce is pretty good too.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by deathanatos on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:49PM (#26597379)
> I don't understand why Americans buy these kind of (expensive) processed and branded food products. Why not just buy pasta, the cheese (grate it if you want) and some other seasoning, as the raw individual ingredients?

My SO has a delicious home-made mac and cheese. It was really hard to find the cheese at Safeway; there were nights I check multiple Safeways. It is just white American. (But not "American" cheese, which is yellow, and has a completely different taste.)

As another commenter mentions, you need the right cheese, as it needs to melt correctly. My understanding is that this is the presence of emulsifiers that cause the cheese to melt correctly, which white American has. My understanding is that, actually, cheese does not, and white American is technically called "cheese product" because it is has emulsifiers mixed it. (So it's not technically cheese anymore.)

(Which is weird, because my understanding for parm in other recipes is opposite: that the cheap parm often doesn't melt correctly b/c it is usually adulterated with cellulose (e.g., wood pulp / plant matter). So I might not have this completely correct. But then, wood pulp is likely also not an emulsifier.)

(We also sometimes cut it with ham, and that is also surprisingly out of stock often. (The small sized ones; I can't use a giant/full sized ham as it would rot.))

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by sneak on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:01PM (#26597506)
A lot of sibling comments are talking about shelf stability, which only tells part of the story.

> From there you can add chicken and fresh herbs.

Due to the car-centric nature of the US, where it is really common to be over 2km from a market, and a trip to the market requires a) driving there, b) parking, c) driving back, the average USian visits the supermarket less frequently than people in other countries because it's more time and resource intensive. This results in larger trips (shopping carts occur in 100% of markets, and also Costco is a thing) and more processed foods with preservatives due to increased time between trips requiring longer shelf life.

Fresh herbs, unprocessed cheese, non-shitty bread, et c - these are way more common in societies that visit the store every 48h (or sometimes even every 24h if there's a bakery on the corner of your block that you pass on foot every day) as opposed to the USA where you might only go to the market every 5-14 days.

Just one more way in which the religion- and racism-motivated US shift to single family detached homes and suburbs cratered the population density and took neighborhoods, sidewalks/walking, camaraderie, local exploration, and fresh groceries along with it as collateral damage.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by quantumwannabe on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:44PM (#26598349)
Stop it with the blind nationalism. You've clearly never been to an American grocery store. Literally everything you describe is available at Walmart (fresh herbs, unprocessed cheese, non-shitty bread), and more expensive grocery stores have even more variety and higher quality.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by sneak on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:52PM (#26598396)
I've been to Wal-mart, Trader Joes, Whole Foods, Kroger, Meijer, Safeway, and many others many, many times, as I was born and raised in the USA and didn't even visit anywhere else until I was nearly 30.

I don't think that you and I are talking about the same things when we say "unprocessed cheese" or "non-shitty bread". Wal-mart has, in the scheme of cheese and bread available on earth, an absolutely abysmal selection - this remains so even when compared against the US more widely.

Part of this is Wal-mart's focus on a very limited number of suppliers that have many different brands/logos.

Even the mozzarella balls in brine sold in the "fancy" grocery stores are full of adulterants and other things you'd never find in quality cheese. The "fresh" bread from the bakery is lower in preservatives than the bagged stuff, but is nowhere near "good". The worst bakery in any major city in Europe has bread an order of magnitude better than any chain grocery store's "fresh bread" bakery section. (That's not nationalism: you can pick any of a dozen countries to compare.)

...and in many places in the US, that's the only/best available within a 20-30 minute drive. Food deserts (another growing problem) are even worse.

US grocery stores are very bright and shiny and have many different brands available, but the hidden structure is that almost all of those widely available come from a vanishingly small number of conglomerated suppliers, oftentimes using processes or ingredients that are banned in other countries on safety and health concerns. Even the "quality" (aka fancily packaged, more expensive) stuff comes from the same conglomerates and suffers the same problems.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by quantumwannabe on Friday March 26, 2021 @08:00PM (#26598446)
Of course Walmart doesn't have the best bread in the world. It's also incredibly cheap. There are numerous fresh local bakeries that ship food daily to grocery stores as well as serving customers directly that you can buy from if you want to spend a little more to get higher quality bread. I am literally able to buy cheese directly from a local dairy at a farmers market that is guaranteed to have zero additives. This is in a horrible car oriented neighborhood with a Costco and where most people go shopping once a week. Europeans also eat a ton of processed food, barely any less than Americans. In 2019, Western Europeans ate 113 kg of ultra processed foods per capita, and Americans/Australians ate 134 kg - not a huge difference [1].

My local grocery store has hundreds of small local brands that are absolutely not a front for some conglomerate. There isn't some secret that only European bakers and cheesemakers know; American bakers can and do bake the same breads and American cheesemakers make the same cheeses, etc.

[1] https://sci-hub.do/10.1111/obr.13126 Figure 1.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by rhmw2b on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:31PM (#26597198)
Where I live in the US any kind of fresh herbs except for maybe parsley and cilantro costs more than a box of mac and cheese. My kids eat it occasionally (maybe once a month) because they like it, it's cheap, and takes about 10 minutes to make. Still, >90% of what we eat is home made from scratch. I don't know anyone who eats processed foods for the majority of their diet, though I'm sure some people out there do.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by primitivesuave on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:16PM (#26597049)
My parents didn’t have much money growing up, but they would always do what you described - get the raw ingredients and make it to their own health/taste preferences. They are immigrants from India, where this is the norm for all levels of income.

Many of my friends growing up had parents working multiple jobs or long hours, who wouldn’t have the time or energy to do this. I had one friend whose single mother wouldn’t come home until 10 PM, so he prepared pre-packaged meals for dinner every night.

If you compare the costs, it’s ~$2-4 per meal in a box, compared to $20-30 to get all the ingredients for meal preparation. Many Americans simply don’t have this amount of cash, and food stamp programs are insufficient in allowing for healthy eating habits.

With the rise of Walmart and Dollar General across America, prepackaged meals seem to be a dominant meal option (I don’t have any data on this, this is just from comparing shopping carts at Walmart vs Whole Foods).

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by bluedino on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:47PM (#26597356)
Walmart has cheap potatoes, carrots, onion, rice, pasta. My mom mad macaroni and cheese with regular elbow noodles and a couple slices of American cheese. We added ketchup.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by dangwu on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:06PM (#26596943)
Do you not understand why fast food exists either? It’s cheap and easy.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by ArkanExplorer on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:15PM (#26597031)
In my country, McDonalds is an expensive restaurant, the kind you would take your girlfriend to if you wish to make amends with her.

A meal there is about twice as expensive as a traditional meal at a traditional restaurant.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by turtlebits on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:19PM (#26597685)
Don't tell me that cheap, easy, unhealthy food doesn't exist in the Ukraine. Ask yourself why that exists and your question is answered.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by oh_sigh on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:27PM (#26598225)
I feel like Ukraine and Russia have a strong view towards "whole"/organic/unprocessed foods. I've been told by multiple Russian friends that basically processed food gives you cancer and it will make you crazy, and that's the reason why Americans are fat but Russians are not.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by Falling3 on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:39PM (#26597280)
What country is that?
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by tenacious_tuna on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:44PM (#26597326)
Listed in OP:

> Note: I am from Ukraine.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by goodolusa_ on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:55PM (#26597443)
It’s interesting seeing all these comments. I grew up poor in Chicago. My mom left when I was one and my dad raised me by himself - truck and forklift driver. Not once have I ever had fast food. We never ate highly processed foods, ever. You think that Europeans don’t also have lots of kids and are poor? They still make fresh food. I find processed food disgusting and it’s incredibly unhealthy. People don’t cook because it’s obviously not a priority. But if you look at the impacts of eating crappy food, one might change their mind.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by eloff on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:51PM (#26597408)
I eat Annie's on a regular basis. I just add meat of some kind for protein. It's the convenience factor. Same reason I love microwave burritos with greek yogurt on the side.

Time is a short, I just want something quick to make that's got a decent protein content.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by Falling3 on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:40PM (#26597290)
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet is shelf-stability. Even if you love to cook, it's nice knowing you have a backup sitting in the pantry just in case you're feeling tired or don't have a chance to go shopping.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by dang on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:59PM (#26597489)
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26596627.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by r00fus on Friday March 26, 2021 @06:02PM (#26597518)
> I don't understand why Americans buy these kind of (expensive) processed and branded food products. Why not just buy pasta, the cheese (grate it if you want) and some other seasoning, as the raw individual ingredients?

Same reason we don't all run OpenWRT on our home routers - yes, it's objectively better and possibly cheaper but most of us don't have the time to prepare the meals ALL the time.

For us, the kids prefer it (even over homemade), and once a week we let them make it themselves for lunch. Done and done.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by ketzo on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:04PM (#26596916)
You can buy four servings of processed mac and cheese for about $2 USD. It's insanely cheap.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by dekhn on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:55PM (#26597441)
mac and cheese is made witha cheese sauce- it's not just grated cheese. You have to make a flour/butter emulsion and make a cheese sauce from that.

I grew up eating mac & cheese and didn't even realize it was just elbow noodles and cheese sauce.

Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by sjg007 on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:30PM (#26597190)
My kids don't like cheese. Instant Mac has no cheese as we like to say.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by zzzeek on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:09PM (#26596977)
we make lots of fresh pasta but annies shells and cheddar has a very unique flavor you couldn't really replicate easily and we love it also.
Re:Annie of Annie's Mac and Cheese by gooseyard on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:11PM (#26596998)
there are an enormous number of people in the US who don't know how to cook and aren't interested in learning.