FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience

Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by shilch on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:35AM (#26492649)

(A port of) Visual Studio Code is available for FreeBSD (using it myself); `pkg install vscode`. If you would like to use docker, you could run a Linux distro in a virtual machine with docker daemon and configure your host docker command to use the daemon inside the VM. That's basically how docker works on macOS.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by LeSaucy on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:53AM (#26492894)

For docker on freebsd to get any traction, it would need to be implemented with the vm behind the scenes. The beauty of the macOS/windows versions are that they require 0 setup/maintenance and are an implementation detail.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by yjftsjthsd-h on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @09:41PM (#26498931)

It seems like this should be relatively simple; build docker-cli as a native FreeBSD program, make a docker-machine backend for bhyve... port docker-machine to FreeBSD, I guess (I hope that's not hard; it's not doing anything OS-specific), and you should be good to go.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by nix23 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @03:12PM (#26495605)

>docker on freebsd to get any traction

Yeah no thanks....run bhyve..with buntu and than your docker...have (no) fun.

That's "docker" for freebsd:

https://bastillebsd.org/

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by canada_dry on Thursday March 18, 2021 @01:25AM (#26499896)

Wow... bastille is a pretty capable container manager!

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by nix23 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @06:25AM (#26501219)

Yes! I love to work with it.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by pimeys on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @04:39PM (#26496506)

Instead of _switching_, I just got a used ThinkPad from ebay for a secondary OS, installed FreeBSD to it and I'm having a blast exploring a non-Linux OS and trying things out on that side. You don't need to go all-in, but do things gradually and see if FreeBSD offers you any new insights how an operating system could look like.

I also have a NixOS laptop and my main Arch Linux workstation for work use.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by bpye on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:44AM (#26492764)

.NET Core can be build for FreeBSD [0] but it looks like there isn't official support.

[0] - https://github.com/jasonpugsley/installer/wiki/.NET-5.0-Prev...

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by shrubble on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:34AM (#26492638)

I guess that is the question, is it the fault of .NET core or FreeBSD , that it is not availabe for FreeBSD?

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by mumblemumble on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:55AM (#26492913)

Maybe it's nobody's fault?

I don't blame Microsoft for not spending limited resources on providing official support for an OS with (wildly guessing) 0.25% marketshare. And I don't blame FreeBSD for not spending limited resources on maintaining their own packages for an SDK with (wildly guessing) 0.75% marketshare among non-Windows users.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by mikece on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:44AM (#26492770)

I blame Scott Hanselman for not achieving "dotNet Everywhere." :-)

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by mariusmg on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @03:10PM (#26495575)

Funny thing is there was a .NET Framework "port" to FreeNSD a long time ago called Rotor...

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by maxrev17 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @03:11PM (#26495588)

Looooool

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by Koshkin on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:48AM (#26492831)

Well, it's not the hardware vendor who is usually blamed for a lack of a device driver for Linux (or a BSD).

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by samus on Thursday March 18, 2021 @02:43AM (#26500186)

Unless the vendor in question actively takes steps to make this more difficult.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by 1MachineElf on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:50PM (#26497200)

It's coming. Progress is being tracked in these places:

https://github.com/dotnet/source-build/issues/1139

https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/issues/14537

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by jbverschoor on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:42AM (#26492746)

I dunno.. but the very first betas of dot net were actually available for FreeBSD. I remember downloading the spice for it way back. I’m surprised if it’s not available.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by mikece on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:43AM (#26492758)

Are you talking about "Rotor" back in 2005 or 2006 right before Silverlight came out?

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by jbverschoor on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @02:05PM (#26494801)

Uff I think it was actually before 2005. Was a long time ago. I recall it was open source, which was a surprise to me. It was definitely called dot net.

I think it was more towards 2001 or something, with the whole Java dispute between SUN and Microsoft. Visual J++ had some sort of dialect. (loved the IDE though, microsoft has always been good at developer tools).

Before that I was more interested in fahrenheit // openscene graph between Microsoft and SGI.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by mech422 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:16PM (#26499393)

You mean mono(1)? From Miguel de Icaza & Ximian - started around 2001?

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software)

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by jcadam on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @12:31PM (#26493454)

Big sticking point for me is I'm doing development targeting Linux. As much as I feel *BSD is superior, I need the right tools to do my job.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by MuffinFlavored on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:51AM (#26492862)

> I would love to be able to switch to FreeBSD

Curious what you think you would personally gain other than the much-repeated mantra of "they have organized man docs and a strong set of CLI userland tools because they are developed alongside the kernel"

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by imwillofficial on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @12:09PM (#26493123)

Well, I was thinking more like “They have organized man docs, and a strong set of CLI user land tools because they are developed alongside the kernel.” But I’m an Oxford comma man myself.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by YooLi on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:47PM (#26497179)

Google Oxford comma. It’s not simply a comma before an ‘and’.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by imwillofficial on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:03PM (#26497315)

I know, it was a joke on His dismissiveness. I'm only half as clever as I try to be

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by orhmeh09 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @02:58PM (#26495410)

Those sound like excellent gains in and of themselves.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by nix23 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @03:15PM (#26495640)

ZFS DTRACE and pf....oh and the mantra.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by mixedCase on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @04:33PM (#26496440)

BSD ZFS I believe uses the same code as Linux nowadays or was at least planning to.

eBPF should cover your other two needs, by way of itself and through bpftrace.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by laumars on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:00PM (#26496726)

> BSD ZFS I believe uses the same code as Linux nowadays or was at least planning to.

Just because FreeBSD and Linux share the same ZFS upstream it doesn’t mean the experience of running ZFS on Linux is in any way comparable to running it on FreeBSD.

For starters, it’s a default in FreeBSD rather than an optional driver you have to install yourself (or even compile yourself on some distros). And that along makes a massive difference when it comes to maintenance.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by throwawayboise on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:39PM (#26497097)

What is the benefit of using ZFS on a personal or dev machine? I almost never tinker with filesystem partitions or allocation once I set them up as part of installing an OS. I occasionally do on a production machine if I've misjudged space needed for something, but there again it's pretty rare.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by JdeBP on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:26PM (#26497561)

Boot environments for operating system upgrades. They take advantage of ZFS.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by laumars on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:59PM (#26497847)

Snapshots was the biggie that made me switch to ZFS more than 10 years ago. Never looked back.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by nix23 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:51PM (#26497209)

Oh it's massive especially for kernel-devs/os-devs, snapshots and boot-environments (bectl)....for personal machines...zfs-send..never have to think about correct backups/restores anymore.

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Re:FreeBSD 13.0 – Full Desktop Experience by Marsymars on Thursday March 18, 2021 @07:44PM (#26508791)

I run Windows and macOS on my personal and dev machines (so don’t use ZFS), but I’d really appreciate the peace of mind of bit rot protection.

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