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Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by gropius on Thursday February 11, 2021 @04:39PM (#26107669)
Brexiteers have nothing but disdain for the City and finance. They're a know-nothing movement unswayed by economic research and proudly ignorant concerning, among a myriad of hard truths, the realities of operating in the modern global economy.

They think with a simple wave of their plastic sovereignty wand, Britain will be magically restored to some fictional past where a dominant UK thrived in an economic self-sufficiency bubble. No banking sector or stock brokers required.

Good bloody luck with that, mates.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by krona on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:22PM (#26108213)
All the London traders I know are pro Brexit. 100%. People in compliance, 100% remain.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by specialist on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:42PM (#26108419)
Huh. Given that the City will lose its preeminent spot in the world of finance, I assumed traders would be anti-Brexit. What's the (typical) trader's reasoning?
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by coldtea on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:06PM (#26108689)
>Given that the City will lose its preeminent spot in the world of finance

It wont really lose anything. UK can now start new "tax haven" initiatives (discouraged under EU) and companies will flock there better than before...

London didn't get its "preeminent spot in the world of finance" by entering the EU/EEC etc or because of it. It earned that spot by itself 100+ years before...

Not to mention EU is barely doing well itself...

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by MichaelMoser123 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:50PM (#26109147)
wouldn't you have to cut back on services as a tax haven? The NHS might not be very happy about that.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by BerislavLopac on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:54PM (#26109177)
The NHS is being privatised anyway.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by Camas on Thursday February 11, 2021 @08:24PM (#26109802)
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by BerislavLopac on Friday February 12, 2021 @04:36AM (#26111962)
There is nothing secret about it.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by ilikeerp on Thursday February 11, 2021 @08:14PM (#26109738)
As well as being factually dubious, that didn't answer the question.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by coldtea on Friday February 12, 2021 @05:33AM (#26112213)
The question was wrong anyway. You don't have to "cut back on services as a tax haven". Cyprus, Singapore, Swizzerland in the past, etc, have all kinds of state services...

Maybe the one asking had in mind some derelict tax haven islands in the caribbean or so? Not all tax havens are like that...

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by MichaelMoser123 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:11AM (#26123407)
No, services cost money and have to be paid for. That was my argument. Still interesting that you guys find that there is ground for argument - an irrelvant topic would not be ground for argument, wouldn't it?
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by breakfastduck on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:36PM (#26108994)
Yeah people a quick to forget that London is not what it is because of the EU.

It has been a global hub for centuries.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by ashtonkem on Thursday February 11, 2021 @07:28PM (#26109436)
All of this is true, but people drastically overweight the recent past when predicting the future. The world is littered with cities that were global or regional hubs in the past. Things can change.

This problem gets worse when the past becomes an argument for not taking the necessary steps to mitigate any potential change.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by addicted on Thursday February 11, 2021 @07:56PM (#26109624)
The UK was also the sick man of Europe before they joined the EU predecessors.

The modern successful UK is almost certainly a consequence of closer collaboration with the EU.

Almost none of the reasons the UK was successful before are true anymore.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by krona on Friday February 12, 2021 @04:46AM (#26112009)
closer collaboration - closer compared to what? The share of the UK's total trade that was with the EEC/EU fell during the time it was a member.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by coldtea on Friday February 12, 2021 @05:31AM (#26112203)
>The modern successful UK is almost certainly a consequence of closer collaboration with the EU.

Is it? Or just neoliberalism via Thacher making it more alluring to modern capitalism (succesful for society is another thing) and the same cheap credit flood in the 90s+ that happened across the West?

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by im3w1l on Thursday February 11, 2021 @09:59PM (#26110301)
The Empire is no more though.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by specialist on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:41PM (#26109047)
Right. But isn't there some wrinkle where London loses the trades denominated in eurodollars by leaving the EU?
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by coldtea on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:46PM (#26109102)
Not if the companies with the eurodollars can get tax haven in London...
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by ric2b on Friday February 12, 2021 @11:04AM (#26115091)
It also used to be an empire, that's gone.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by jiofih on Thursday February 11, 2021 @08:32PM (#26109835)
Are they? Never heard of that being forgotten. Sounds like empty brexit fodder.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by albertgoeswoof on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:51PM (#26108515)
Traders are gamblers, the city might not lose it’s place, and they’ll be riding a massive wave if that happens. Not a bad calculated risk.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by Ekaros on Friday February 12, 2021 @03:33PM (#26118226)
Short it all the way down. Then buy at the bottom. It will rise again... Rather ugly way to do things, but it can work for them...
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by DaiPlusPlus on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:51PM (#26108514)
One would assume lack of oversight and regulation.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by csomar on Friday February 12, 2021 @03:22AM (#26111677)
No longer has to follow EU rules. Can become a tax haven shortly after.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by madaxe_again on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:11PM (#26108768)
A lot of traders come from a social stratum where being pro brexit is the in-group opinion.

Reasoning doesn’t really come into it with brexit.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by thu2111 on Friday February 12, 2021 @07:44AM (#26113024)
Given that the City will lose its preeminent spot in the world of finance

According to the EU. People who actually work in finance see it a bit differently.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by addicted on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:57PM (#26108586)
That does not align with how London, which was ridiculously pro Remain, voted.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by throwaway2245 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:43PM (#26109071)
London financial industry traders and London voting residents are not related.

Greater London residents voted overall ~60% to Remain, but you'd expect that traders live in the Eastern boroughs, and outside London, in Essex (both up to ~70% Leave).

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by breakfastduck on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:37PM (#26109005)
Neither will the % of the population of London who are bankers compared to who are not. So not a fair comparison at all.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by ksec on Thursday February 11, 2021 @07:17PM (#26109368)
>All the London traders I know are pro Brexit.

Along with lots of business owners I know. All of them knew exactly what they are signing up for. The OP's message is precisely the problem with the argument from Remain. They didn't answer any question or worries they had with Brexiteers. ( Or they did but it wasn't really what they were looking for ) And the discourse then fell apart.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by coldtea on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:03PM (#26108664)
>Brexiteers have nothing but disdain for the City and finance.

As the left once did, before it went in-bed with big finance and globalization...

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by breakfastduck on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:38PM (#26109010)
Sadly true.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by nly on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:10PM (#26108068)
It's not just finance though. The trade agreement between the EU and the UK only covers goods, but the UK economy is 80a% services...
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by zx14 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:27PM (#26108247)
How many of those services are cross-border though? Does "services" include real estate agents and IT contractors?
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by quelsolaar on Thursday February 11, 2021 @07:23PM (#26109409)
One example of things the UK have been exporting is audits, to large companies in the EU. UK auditors are no longer accredited to perform audits of EU countries. Now the have to retake an exam, and then work for 3 years as a apprentice of someone who is already accredited. Since there is no one in the UK that is accredited you pretty much have to move to the EU for 3 years to do that. You can imagine that for a lot of people with families that are 40+, that pretty much ends their careers. Apparently the same goes for many other finance and legal professions.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by addicted on Thursday February 11, 2021 @07:57PM (#26109633)
The majority of UK exports is also services.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by mrlonglong on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:17PM (#26108148)
I concur with that assessment 100%. It's quite shaming how it's all been handled. Even worse, I've had to take German citizenship to keep my European internet domains.
Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by specialist on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:40PM (#26108379)
I've not yet heard what the pro-Brexit faction gets from this? I mean who are the people who stand to gain? Based on the theory that people are motivated by self-interest.

Putin financed the campaign to sow chaos (just like w/ Trump). Murdock monetizes outrage (again, just like w/ Trump). Neoreactionaries such as the Mercers are against any power apart from their own. Boris and maybe the Tories have longed been anti EU, Brexit is just a bludgeon (wedge issue) for elections.

But I don't understand which stakeholders will actually materially benefit from Brexit.

Especially once Scotland leaves the UK and rejoins the EU on their own.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by toyg on Thursday February 11, 2021 @06:17PM (#26108833)
> I don't understand which stakeholders will actually materially benefit from Brexit.

Two types:

- the spivs who felt harangued by all those reasonable EU rules, and are now free to again abuse the unwashed masses (like Farage selling scams on Youtube, or the gentlemen selling flammable cladding to builders). I knew a guy like this, holding dangerous chemicals in his garage and moving goods from China to Iran without ever entering the EU, to avoid any scrutiny of their debatable quality... Kind man but ethically challenged, so to speak.

- the oligarchs who couldn't bend Bruxelles' ears as well as they can make the weather in Westminster. Some of them are not even English, but London is their plaything.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by zimpenfish on Friday February 12, 2021 @07:09AM (#26112794)
> I've not yet heard what the pro-Brexit faction gets from this?

Farage is currently popping up on YouTube with some financial malarkey (I hesitate to use the words grift or scam but it does look very much in that direction) that presumably wasn't viable before we left the EU.

Re:Amsterdam displaces London as Europe's top stocks centre ... by mrlonglong on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:59PM (#26108607)
Scotland needs independence, badly.