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Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by pk_kinetic on Saturday January 30, 2021 @10:24AM (#25969786)
Not to mention the prison-industrial complex in the US.
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by goatinaboat on Saturday January 30, 2021 @01:56PM (#25971828)
Not to mention the prison-industrial complex in the US.

Kept well supplied with labour thanks to Kamala Harris and her draconian persecution of marijuana related “crimes”.

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by AndyMcConachie on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:40PM (#25971079)
You can buy products from American prison slaves here.

https://unicor.gov/index.aspx

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by threatofrain on Saturday January 30, 2021 @10:57AM (#25970047)
Where does the wealth from such labor go?
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by rrsmtz on Saturday January 30, 2021 @01:53PM (#25971803)
Sometimes it's used by the state itself for cost savings, as in California under then-attorney general Kamala Harris (now Vice President):

> “Extending 2-for-1 credits to all minimum custody inmates at this time would severely impact fire camp participation — a dangerous outcome while California is in the middle of a difficult fire season and severe drought,” lawyers from Harris’s office wrote in a filing.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/kamala-harris-of...

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by Tiktaalik on Saturday January 30, 2021 @02:31PM (#25972146)
The benefits of reduced labour costs are the middle class.

Similarly the middle class benefits from the lower working class wages that come from exploitation of illegal immigrants.

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by lupire on Saturday January 30, 2021 @03:59PM (#25972922)
Well, the upper middle class who have higher tier jobs. Not the working middle class. (In USA everyone is "middle" class, because most are too proud to have class consciousness.)
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by humbledrone on Saturday January 30, 2021 @11:18AM (#25970262)
The shareholders for the private prisons in which they are incarcerated: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/10/how-private-prisons-p...

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Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by garrettgrimsley on Saturday January 30, 2021 @11:56AM (#25970655)
“In 2015, just 8% of the nearly 1.53 million state and federal prisoners in the U.S. were in private facilities” [0]. Prison slavery is not concentrated in and won’t disappear by closing private prisons. [1]

[0]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/11/u-s-private...

[1]https://corpaccountabilitylab.org/calblog/2020/8/5/private-c...

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by stonecraftwolf on Saturday January 30, 2021 @11:37AM (#25970466)
IIRC the first prison in the US was established in Auburn, NY specifically because slavery had been outlawed and some sociopath was like “ok, yeah, technically, but if we just convict them of a crime first...”
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by ceejayoz on Saturday January 30, 2021 @01:33PM (#25971573)
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by lupire on Saturday January 30, 2021 @04:04PM (#25972967)
No. The Auburn prison was not the first prison, and it employed prisoner slave labor before slavery was outlawed.

Prison slavery existed before chattel slavery was rerouted through the prison system.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_system

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by boxmonster on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:10PM (#25970778)
I see nothing wrong with making prisoners earn their keep
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by michaelmrose on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:38PM (#25971062)
Private businesses pay private prisons far more than the prisoners get paid but less than legit labor driving out fairly paid labor.

Everyone who is benefiting lobbies far stricter laws and harsher sentences not for societies benefit but so their labor force can grow.

This slave labor is disproportionately taken from minorities and the poor who it is more acceptable to enslave. Mostly by patrolling areas which have lots of minorities and shaking them down in hopes of finding drugs. See the fact that black and white people do drugs at the same rate but white people are far less likely to be prosecuted.

In one case they actually caught 2 judges taking bribes from private detention to hand juvenile offenders maximum sentences. Effectively selling other people's kids.

Banning private prisons only removes a fraction of the incentive.

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by lupire on Saturday January 30, 2021 @04:05PM (#25972984)
It's not just private prisons. Public prisons also sieze prisoner labor for sale to private customers or for government work like makit license plates.
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by ben_w on Saturday January 30, 2021 @01:34PM (#25971583)
Perverse incentives.

When the prisoners make the prison owners (public or private) more money than they cost, there is pressure to imprison more people and for longer. That can lead to pressure on the enforcers to look harder for infractions… but they might turn a blind eye to infractions by their friends and bosses[0]. Pretty soon, you get feudalism.

[0] Seven of the candidates in the last Tory leadership contest (including the winner) admitted to using drugs. The government has no plans to decriminalise recreational use of any of those substances: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/09/high-tories...

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by coldtea on Saturday January 30, 2021 @01:44PM (#25971695)
Do you see anything wrong with having the most incancerated population in the world (25% of the global prison population for just 5% of the world population), or having the most horrendous prison conditions in all the western world?

Do you see anything wrong with blacks and latinos being overrepresented?

Do you see anything wrong with being such a backwater that you still have the death penalty, not to mention BS like "three strikes" laws?

Do you see anything wrong with forced prison labor undercutting regular businesses in the same areas?

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by pretendscholar on Saturday January 30, 2021 @01:00PM (#25971267)
The idea that they should earn their keep implies that residing in prison is something of positive value for the prisoner that they should feel obligated to give something back.
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by jnsie on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:54PM (#25971206)
The cash doesn’t refund taxes used to pay for said incarceration, to my knowledge. I don’t see how they are earning their keep.
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by Animats on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:29PM (#25970961)
Even Alcatraz didn't do that. "You are entitled to food, clothing, shelter, and medical care. Everything else is a privilege" - Alcatraz rules.
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by trianglem on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:29PM (#25970956)
When they work for a $1/hr and put actual contractors out of business you understand why it’s like slave labor.