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Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by ericmay on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:52AM (#25942573)
Retail traders are literally locked out of buying new shares... they were a scapegoat the whole time.

$GME is up 11% as of the writing of this post. Who is buying it?

This is actually making me angry to watch.

-edit-

I had like one share - Robinhood just sold my shares without me ordering it. Dunno what happened there.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by dragontamer on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:55AM (#25942623)
I just checked my TD Ameritrade account. I'm able to buy GME just fine (though I didn't hit the "confirm" button).

I know RobinHood messed up here. But... they never had a good reputation to begin with. Its an open secret that RobinHood's entire setup is kind of crap.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by itake on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:58AM (#25942677)
I didn't see a failure on Schwab until I hit "confirm" yesterday.

My understanding is TD Ameritrade is only blocking the purchase of stock on margin. If you have the cash, you're allowed to make the purchase.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by swiley on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:04AM (#25942814)
Oh well that's reasonable. If I were a brokerage you bet your ass I wouldn't lend you money to buy GME.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by aynyc on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:18AM (#25943065)
Why should broker allow margin trading at all? If it's about risk, then who's the decider/calculator of the risk? I think this is the reason why there is a distrust from the next generation.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by swiley on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:20AM (#25943096)
This really wouldn't be the first time Robinhood changed their software to prevent it's users from doing exceptionally stupid things with margin.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:21AM (#25943114)
> who's the decider/calculator of the risk?

The lender. As in all loans. As is in every detail described in one’s margin contract.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by aynyc on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:34AM (#25943415)
I looked at my margin document, other than Federal Reserve requirements and account restriction, there is no provision stating they can block a specific eligible stock as long as I meet their margin requirement.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:59AM (#25943885)
> there is no provision stating they can block a specific eligible stock as long as I meet their margin requirement

That may explain why they had to block trading in the stock. Margin losses almost inevitable at this point. But legal said they couldn't block lending on a single name. Their TOS, however, permit them to suspend trading in single names.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by aynyc on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:02AM (#25943940)
Ah, that actually make sense. I don't see how RH allows sell, but not buy. That's just insanely corrupt because it clearly manipulates the market.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by kgwgk on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:51AM (#25943750)
Their margin requirement may be linked to the name so increasing the margin requirement to 100% would be a way to block the use of margin.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by aynyc on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:58AM (#25943868)
That would block all margin trades, no? Not a specific instrument. I understand why they did it, but it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by kgwgk on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:02AM (#25943927)
They can set margin requirement separately for each stock.

For example, with InteractiveBrokers "long stock positions [of AMC, BB, EXPR, GME, and KOSS] will require 100% margin and short stock positions will require 300% margin until further notice".

https://twitter.com/IBKR/status/1354792600004386818

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by aynyc on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:10AM (#25944068)
I get that part, but why would 100% margin on buys eliminate the buys? If I have $100K cash, I can still buy $50K of XXX and meet the margin requirement. They are blocking buys, but not sells.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by kgwgk on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:15AM (#25944164)
Who is blocking buys?

The context of this subthread is this message https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25942677 about brokers allowing the buying of GME but not on margin (and how they don't have to disallow the use of margin for every stock for that).

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by 52-6F-62 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:10AM (#25942916)
And that's pretty normal for highly-volatile stocks, isn't it?
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by swiley on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:02AM (#25942778)
I just bought NOK this morning on TD. I think it's just robinhood.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by 12bits on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:11AM (#25942960)
My Canadian TD account has been giving me a 502 all morning.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by swiley on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:43PM (#25950573)
Sounds about right haha.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by dastx on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:06AM (#25942849)
> $GME is up 11% as of the writing of this post. Who is buying it?

Robinhood isn't the only investment platform that allows trades on NYSE obviously. Evidently though, it had the highest volume when it comes to GME it seems.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by gherittwhite on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:58AM (#25942694)
It's annoying. The regular guy should be able to profit off this too.

I was at the gym yesterday and heard like 5 people talking about stocks: gme, amc, bb. Everyone is trying to get in on this and they're trying to stop it. They bogged gme at open to scare people and now it's back up. If they didn't remove the option for users to buy they surely would have bought the dip.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by NickM on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:21AM (#25943108)
Blocking people from buying a stock is not the same as blocking people from profiting off of a stock; nobody knows what the future valuation of the stock will be, so if you prevent people from buying, you may just as well be preventing them from losing money as from gaining.

Keep in mind that this is very likely a zero-sum game. At some point the bubble will pop, and as many people as gained money on the way up will lose money on the way down.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by breck on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:27AM (#25943261)
The bubble only needs to pop though if GME management screws it up.

GME has now become a $25B hedge fund with a gaming focus. They absolutely have the ability to become long term successful given these black swans they just experienced.

Now, I know *nothing* about their management, but they at least have been given a chance. Their's an Eminem song that they should be playing throughout their buildings right now. If I were them I'd sell more shares, pay down any bad debt, and invest in 10-100 of the best black swan ideas of my rank and file and see what happens.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by NickM on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:30PM (#25947636)
GME has now become a $25B hedge fund with a gaming focus.

I think you're confusing their market cap with their balance sheet. A $25B hedge fund has $25B in assets, but a $25B market cap does not mean that they have access to anywhere near that amount of capital.

Sure, maybe they could issue a dilutive follow-on offering and bring in some cash, but who knows where the stock price will be by the time they get through the paperwork on that. And they're currently losing about half a billion per year on about $6B in revenue, so I'm not sure that an extra billion or so in cash is going to fundamentally remake the company....

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by breck on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:41PM (#25948860)
You're right, I'm off by an OOM. I think perhaps comparing them to a $2.5B hedge fund might not be out of the ballpark.

Didn't know about the $500M lost on $6B in revenue, but gaming is a growing market, they just got a ton of free advertising, so seems like they have a chance to do something great.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by Osiris on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:54AM (#25942616)
I had a pending market order fill at opening but now by brokerage mobile app won't log me in.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by giantg2 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:58AM (#25942696)
Only some brokers were locking it out. Most of the traditional big names did not.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by segmondy on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:57AM (#25942659)
hedge funds that shorted have to buy to close out their position, they need to buy.