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Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by gambiting on Sunday January 24, 2021 @10:43AM (#25892898)
For those on windows(and with an Intel WiFi card) there is a hidden but an extremely useful feature - "project" can be used to turn any other windows PC/Laptop/Tablet into a second screen, just enable "cast to this PC" in settings, then from the host PC press Win+P from anywhere and the second machine becomes a secondary display instantly. To windows it appears as a normal display, without any hackery involved.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by zeusk on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:01PM (#25895292)
My team at Microsoft works on the underlying code, I'm not sure if it is strictly Miracast but it definitely makes use of Indirect Display.

We use Indirect Display driver model for lots of other things such as RDP, Graphics over USB etc..

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by tinco on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:25PM (#25897291)
My small company spends thousands per year on TeamViewer licenses, just because RDP can not attach to running desktop sessions (using Nvidia graphics cards). Do you think this is something that could change in the future, or is it a fundamental property of RDP?

I really dislike our reliance on TeamViewer, especially now in covid times where were relying even more on remote access.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by taneq on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:22PM (#25897637)
Can you use a RealVNC variant instead? I just replaced TeamViewer with UltraVNC single click for my remote support needs, it’s free, it’s branded with my logo and my clients find it easier to use.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by tinco on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:20PM (#25897985)
I'm not sure, I think I've tried it but I don't remember what the result was. Note that our goal is decently fast (20fps+) 3d graphics.

I've also tried moonlight (which is an nvidia gamestream implementation), which seems to have performance but the client wasn't very usable for this usecase.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by zmk_ on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:28PM (#25898033)
You can try Parsec as well. Not created for this purpose but works very well for productivity. In my experience maintains 60fps.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by taneq on Sunday January 24, 2021 @09:25PM (#25898357)
Oh, yeah it's probably not going to handle that too well. It's not really designed for full motion video. I tried running a game over it and only got a couple of FPS (although that's over an ancient USB WiFi dongle so modern performance might be better).

Still great for general productivity type stuff though!

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by magixx on Monday January 25, 2021 @12:24AM (#25899598)
What issues did you have with Moonlight?
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by zeusk on Monday January 25, 2021 @11:54PM (#25912708)
Sorry for the late reply.

RDP/termsrv by design create a new session for incoming connections. However, with Windows Virtual Desktop (WVD), Windows Containers and Windows AppGuard, we definitely have a way of launching remote applications in an existing session.

Have you perhaps looked at WVD or RemoteApp? If you'd like to talk more professionally, you can email me at {first_name}.{last_name}@microsoft.com (my name is available on github.com/zeusk).

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:14AM (#25927284)
This might sound weird, but Steam allows you to stream your desktop for games and provides full control as well as stream of audio and video. Works on any device. Wonder if it could help. Being targeted at games, it has great performance.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by niutech on Monday January 25, 2021 @01:03PM (#25906457)
Why don't you use FreeRDP, X2Go or rdesktop - all open source???
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by tinco on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:38PM (#25907706)
Those are clients.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by pavlobu on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:14PM (#25897590)
WebRTC is the way to the future of open source remote desktops. I don't know exactly by I have a strong feeling that google is using WebRTC for chrome remote desktop
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by kd913 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:29PM (#25898039)
Would you mind clarifying the problem you are facing?

I am able to RDP freely onto desktops with rtx 2070/gtx 960 cards no problem.

Is this more something specific involving some degraded performance/reduction in features?

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by dspillett on Sunday January 24, 2021 @09:14PM (#25898307)
I have trouble with RDP and a 1060, though I've not tried in many months so it might be something that has since been fixed.

The issue seemed to be switching between remote and local access, i.e using the machine locally, then from remote, then coming back to local. It would usually survive a couple of cycles of this then just be a black screen after login. Once in that state tricks to reboot the graphics driver did not work and reporting in speed working too, though the rest of the machine was up as services like IIS and file shares kept responding just fine.

My hacky solution is to run VM for most day-to-day work on that machine and remote to that, only using the bare metal when I need the fancy gfx card or otherwise the little bit of extra unpf gained by not having a virtualization layer in the mix.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by gambiting on Monday January 25, 2021 @04:57AM (#25901420)
Yeah I work at a games studio, we are fully remote at the moment due to covid, and disconnecting/reconnecting RDP usually crashes whatever is running on the machine at the time, due to "GPU removed" error. Also only DirectX applications work through RDP, nothing OpenGL/Vulkan based. We have some Citrix licences for that.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by gitowiec on Monday January 25, 2021 @07:14PM (#25910757)
Are you talking about WiDi? I tried to use that on my 3gen i7 laptop. It was awful experience on Windows 7. Then I switched to Linux and never went back.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by jeroenhd on Sunday January 24, 2021 @12:49PM (#25893988)
If I remember correctly, this feature is based on Miracast which means that it also works for most WiFi-enabled TVs.

Very useful for presentations, if the Intel drivers and TV manufacturer code have mercy on you that day and work without crashing, artefacts or random disconnects.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by jpalomaki on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:54PM (#25895904)
Also this requires support from the WiFi chipset. Most laptops likely have support, but not all desktop WiFi dongles.

I understand it’s not the usecase, but would be cool if this also worked over ethernet.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by gogopuppygogo on Sunday January 24, 2021 @02:05PM (#25894734)
Sounds marginally better than the third party implementations of AirPlay that I’ve used.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by efdee on Sunday January 24, 2021 @02:11PM (#25894793)
Does that ever work reliably? I've tried it on a number of different systems, and half the time it just does nothing, and when it does, the screen updating is quite choppy to the point of being unusable.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by pjc50 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @01:33PM (#25894409)
I remain annoyed that an Intel driver update took away Miracast from one of my laptops. It worked fine and then it was gone.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by martyvis on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:44PM (#25895766)
Similar here, my 5 year old laptop doesn't support it. I'm willing to accept lower performance if a nonaccelarated software route could be made to work
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by OkGoDoIt on Sunday January 24, 2021 @01:50PM (#25894574)
I have tried this many times over the years on plenty of different computers and have never once got it to work a single time.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by zeusk on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:35PM (#25895672)
Next time it doesn't work for you, please file a report with Win+F (Feedback hub) and we can take a look at what's failing underneath.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by Arelius on Sunday January 24, 2021 @05:30PM (#25896850)
It feels trying to get troubleshooting for Windows is like shouting into the void, so I, as well as I think many others, have long since just given up.

I for instance bought "Assure Software Support" at $99 a year to try to get support for an unrelated (usb-c dock) issue. And there seemed to be no way to actually use it, and I just gave up, resentful that I paid Microsoft a support fee.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by ggm on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:43PM (#25897400)
This. There doesn't seem to be a pricepoint which effective for getting both help, and information back inside Borgs (of all kinds) to actually effect change.

I had a problem at work with Microsoft X.509 certificate management. I even found the reasonably capable, actual decision-making person who did X.509 at a conference, and he was pretty clear: nothing I said to him there, or in any other forum was going to change pace inside the company on the problem at hand. (he did point out it affected the DoD so I was somewhat assured it was going to get fixed)

OTOH when it was pointed out how badly Microsofts TCP implementation behaved, they did make changes. So "it depends"

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by zeusk on Sunday January 24, 2021 @11:17PM (#25899038)
With feedback hub, the reports along with any diagnostics get routed to engineering teams assigned to the feature.

The only downside imo is we (engineers) cannot directly respond to a end-user feedback.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by OkGoDoIt on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:08AM (#25924545)
I’ve submitted plenty of detailed bug reports with zero response or just form replies, so I don’t waste my time shouting into the void anymore. Having an actual response that isn’t just “we appreciate your report and will have someone look into it” might help.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by archon810 on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:30PM (#25907598)
To the user, though, this feels precisely like shouting into the void.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by eznzt on Sunday January 24, 2021 @05:06PM (#25896641)
There should be a better way of reporting a bug on Windows than posting it on a public forum full of spam that is only accessible from a Metro app which does not come with LTSC.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by hoseja on Monday January 25, 2021 @06:47AM (#25902118)
Why did you hijack the shortcut for search for this, anyway?
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by Arelius on Sunday January 24, 2021 @05:27PM (#25896826)
Agreed, I've never gotten it to work, or when I have, it very quickly failed, and disconnected thereafter.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by tmashb on Sunday January 24, 2021 @01:51PM (#25894585)
To add, gpu accelerated, low to non cpu usage as well with recent drivers, unlike the 99% other solutions, no more whiney fans. It reliably works with recent hardware only, you may see few performance profile options to choose from, that is an indication of HW accel.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by negativegate on Sunday January 24, 2021 @11:04AM (#25893076)
Huh, I never knew about this.

Go to Settings > Projecting to this PC to enable it. You may need to install the Wireless Display optional feature first.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by interestica on Monday January 25, 2021 @10:31PM (#25912172)
The fact that this part isn't linked to from the "Cast to wireless display" section of settings is absurd. Win10 control panel is a mess. I actually made a real effort to find the setting. Your post was the only thing to point me in the right direction.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by jsega on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @04:43PM (#25934404)
I could be mistaken, but I figured I'd point this out since it was my experience, the host PC must have wireless (context: I had a PC with only an ethernet connection, no wireless card).

It will take advantage of the ethernet connection, making for a more responsive experience, but however it is designed requires wireless even if the both computers are connected to ethernet.

I connected a usb wireless dongle and it did the trick for me.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by jb_s on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:15PM (#25897210)
Intel WiFi specifically? What's the special bit that makes it work?
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by vb6sp6 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:23PM (#25897643)
It probably includes a license to some other software required for this to work
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by chx on Sunday January 24, 2021 @05:37PM (#25896921)
WOW this is huge, thanks so much!
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by ianai on Sunday January 24, 2021 @11:44AM (#25893399)
How laggy is it over Wi-Fi?
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by orev on Sunday January 24, 2021 @01:16PM (#25894242)
It’s best used for desktop apps and things like PowerPoint. It starts to lose frames and have tearing when doing video. I doubt it would be acceptable for any gaming.

It works well enough, but it’s not going to satisfy people who are concerned with things like benchmarks and FPS.

Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by mlacks on Sunday January 24, 2021 @11:46AM (#25893422)
Nothing to measure it with but i never think about the lag when i do it over hotel wifi
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by nickysielicki on Sunday January 24, 2021 @12:39PM (#25893896)
I believe this exclusively uses WiFi direct and skips the AP completely, but I can't completely confirm with a quick google.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by gambiting on Sunday January 24, 2021 @12:57PM (#25894049)
Yep, it does - the underlying technology is based on Miracast and works only with Wifi adapters made by Intel because it's point-to-point. Sadly it doesn't work through an AP connection at all.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by tmashb on Sunday January 24, 2021 @02:43PM (#25895105)
Works simultaneously here, Intel and most phones support multi-role.
Re:Deskreen – Turn any device with a web browser to a second... by gambiting on Sunday January 24, 2021 @04:15PM (#25896131)
Yes, I just mean it doesn't work over your WiFi connection, so you can't connect another device elsewhere on the network, it has to be in range.