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Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by ravenstine on Thursday January 14, 2021 @01:06PM (#25779775)
Yeah if you just read all these articles about Japan, you'd think that all young men beat off to hentai all day at their parent's home, and that everyone is visiting "love hotels", or buys used panties from vending machines. The media loves to spin up an image of Japan to naive westerners by exaggerating its quirks.

It reminds me of HN. If you read HN too much, you might think that you can only write applications in Rust and Go using K8s, no JavaScript but Typescript only, but in reality the vast majority of apps being written are using boring technologies to implement CRUD around a relational database.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @01:35PM (#25780222)
> Yeah if you just read all these articles about Japan, you'd think that all young men beat off to hentai all day at their parent's home, and that everyone is visiting "love hotels", or buys used panties from vending machines.

Firstly, love hotels are a sign of not being lonely. They do not offer a prostitute; those batteries are not included

Secondly, I do not gain the impression from that that all do it, merely that they note that the very existence thereof is exceptional. In particular, of the used underwear vending machines, when the story broke many would not believe it and thought it was a hoax, but it actually exists.

No one thinks that every U.S.A.-man bought an assault rifle at a gas station or got one as a gift for opening up a bank account, but that the practice even exists, that the number of occurrence isn't zero — that is something remarkable in and of itself.

> The media loves to spin up an image of Japan to naive westerners by exaggerating its quirks.

What I must ask is why the term “western” invariably always drops whenever Japan is discussed.

Experience taught me that more often than not “the west” in that context simply means “The U.S.A.”.

There is no “west” relevant to what you claim. All that matters is “Japan” vs. “everything else” or at least anyone not particularly experienced with Japan which applies as easily to, say, India, Russia, Uganda, or Indonesia.

> It reminds me of HN. If you read HN too much, you might think that you can only write applications in Rust and Go using K8s, no JavaScript but Typescript only, but in reality the vast majority of apps being written are using boring technologies to implement CRUD around a relational database.

I find that every time an article about a, shall we call it “exciting language” is posted most of the comments, though impressed with the theoretical innovations thereof, doubt it's real world applicability.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by stickfigure on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:15PM (#25780852)
> Firstly, love hotels are a sign of not being lonely.

My observation from travel is that love hotels are a sign of multigenerational housing. Young adults need somewhere to go without their parents watching.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by bserge on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:01PM (#25781672)
In my home country you can rent actual apartments in completely normal buildings by the hour or by the night. Everyone knows for what purpose.

They're actually cheaper and nicer than hotels, so if you're not icky, it's a cheap way to stay in the country ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Tijdreiziger on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:39PM (#25782985)
Fascinating, which country is that? Do you just walk in and say that you'd like to rent a room for 2 hours? (These questions make it sound like I want to use this service, but I'm just interested to hear about this concept, lol)
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by 3np on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:23PM (#25780989)
BBC loves to fetishize Weird Japan. I know where you come from, but from what I’ve seen this one checks out as western.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:38PM (#25781276)
How many languages do you speak to confirm this idea?

Do you speak Pashto enough to know that Afghanistan does not take the crown in this, for instance? Do you speak Danish enough to know that Denmark also participates?

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by some_random on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:42PM (#25781345)
First you say "western" usually means the US, someone disagrees and now you demand they speak Pashto and Danish? Come on.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:57PM (#25781612)
How would that logic be faulty?

For him to confirm his claim that it is a specifically “western” thing to treat Japan so in news sources, he has to speak a variety of both “western" and “non western" languages to truly ascertain that trend.

He must both confirm that it happens in “western” news sources of many different countries, as well as that it doesn't happen in ”non western” news sources.

One would have to speak a considerable number of languages to claim sufficient expertise in world news reporting to make this claim.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by skrebbel on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:06PM (#25781736)
You're being needlessly confrontational.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:11PM (#25781812)
Perhaps, but you suggested there was fault to be found with my argument.

I'm not sure as to how I'm supposed to challenge the challenge to my challenge without being “confrontational” as you call it and point out the faults with the argument.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Shared404 on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:18PM (#25781911)
> I'm not sure as to how I'm supposed to challenge the challenge to my challenge without being “confrontational” as you call it and point out the faults with the argument.

This is a hard problem, and a difficult lesson to learn. I know it took me a while, and I'm still bad at it.

I find it helps to make your points, while trying to maintain a pleasant tone (Easier said than done, and I'm not a good person to teach this). I also find it helps to add questions asking for either other peoples opinions or clarifications on their position, as that helps show that you're not just talking, but also listening.

Edit: Also, the largest part for me at least is to remember that an attack on your argument is not a personal attack against you. I've had issues with doing this my whole life, and am still working on it.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by skrebbel on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:41PM (#25782175)
> Perhaps, but you suggested

I did not.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by some_random on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:16PM (#25781875)
Interesting, how many books have you read on the topic of confrontation vs argumentation? I think you need at least two to have a sufficient background to discuss the concept.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:18PM (#25781903)
No, one doesn't, actually.

Only if one makes a claim about what is generally written in such books.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by f430 on Thursday January 14, 2021 @06:54PM (#25784856)
dont argue, they get off on this
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by cambalache on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:50PM (#25781499)
You are a "quirky" fella to say the least. I think you would feel at home in "Japan"
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by glandium on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:24PM (#25782796)
> Firstly, love hotels are a sign of not being lonely. They do not offer a prostitute; those batteries are not included

Look up "delivery health". The batteries may not be included at the love hotel itself (although I've heard of places that do come with a menu), but it's also a common use of love hotels.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by rchaud on Thursday January 14, 2021 @01:11PM (#25779835)
But who's 'the media' here? Occasionally you'll see a piece in a major publication about Japanese consumer trends or strange products that become big hits. More recently I've seen articles about the hikikomori (sp?) "lost generation" people that graduated just as the bubble burst 30 years ago. But the rest of the coverage is 'normal'; political, business and sports news.

The only place I ever see "weird Japan" content regularly is Reddit and western vloggers living in Japan posting the most sensationalist stuff possible.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by dialamac on Thursday January 14, 2021 @01:15PM (#25779913)
Case in point was already mentioned. The New Yorker is the outlet that ran with the bullshit rent a family story.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by glandium on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:26PM (#25782826)
It's not only the New Yorker. It was on many Youtube channels, many news articles, etc.

It even made the news in Japan.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by pratik661 on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:07PM (#25781762)
I mentioned this phenomenon in a comment on an HN article about caste in India:

“ Something I've also noticed in Western media is that when covering issues about other cultures (ie India, Middle East, etc), the bar for evidence is pitifully low, especially if the story matches existing confirmation bias.”

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24952892

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by f430 on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:39PM (#25781295)
I also think Kpop's influence is also exaggerated but I won't argue against it's popularity amongst the young female/some male crowd.

It's like when a Kpop/Kdrama fan approaches me expecting me to know all of the pop culture when in my experience most Koreans simply consider BTS to be like Justin Bieber.

Imagine if people from Japan starts asking you if you watch Justin Bieber sing and then getting offended when you speak the truth. This is exactly what people in Korea and Japan are going through but you will almost never see them express it but its getting extreme in some situations like below:

https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/gxa6qr/this_girl_mak...

Here you can see her physically harassing Korean men by hugging them or trying to kiss them. It's getting to the point where Western women are fetishizing Korean men similar to how Asian women are often fetishized by foreigners (not through popular culture but mainly through pornography).

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by closeparen on Thursday January 14, 2021 @01:48PM (#25780427)
It would be extraordinary if young couples were having sex within earshot of their parents, or not at all. “Love hotels” seem like a pretty mundane adaptation to dating while living with family.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by smorephism on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:33PM (#25781183)
> you might think that you can only write applications in Rust and Go using K8s, no JavaScript but Typescript only

Pff. Everyone knows Haskell, Idris and Elixir are acceptable, too.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by alexanderdmitri on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:53PM (#25781549)
once you've started on Idris you've crossed the line over from kinky to deviancy

source: there are several people in my weekly support group for exactly this reason, it gets out of control

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:53PM (#25782321)
I would trust any type system that doesn't require me to prove that my sorting algorithm maintains the length of the vector it sorts.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by dang on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:55PM (#25782351)
This subthread was originally a reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25779139.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by dalbasal on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:25PM (#25781029)
We need a new name for this kind of fallacy/bias. It's not new, but more potent and prevalent than ever. Only saucy stories get told, so we think it's all sauce.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Dracophoenix on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:51PM (#25781509)
Marinara bias?
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by cartoonfoxes on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:06PM (#25781735)
I like this. All red sauces are not marinara.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by dalbasal on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:41PM (#25783025)
works for me
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by burnthrow on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:53PM (#25781546)
Reading HN comments yesterday I learned that if I can't quickly devise an algorithm to lay out stars evenly on a flag, I'm worse than programmers in training.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by joerter12 on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:35PM (#25782107)
Thanks, I was just about to comment on how the social trends coming out of Japan are quite disturbing. I hope it’s as exaggerated as you say.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by hungryforcodes on Friday January 15, 2021 @12:29AM (#25787350)
Disturbing how exactly?