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Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by alex_young on Friday January 08, 2021 @06:44PM (#25692481)
It's really important realize this distinction. Imagine a newspaper printing a letter to the editor from a person whose words have previously incited a riot.

I find it surprising that they enabled the account again at all after the 6th.

Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by wp381640 on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:11PM (#25696033)
In the terrorism of the 60s through to the 90s a common demand in hostage situations was to have a letter read out in the media. The PFLP would do it, the Red Army Brigades, even the Unabomber demanded his manifesto be printed

They needed to take hostages to get published because most media wouldn't air their messaging because of their support of violence

In the modern age they'd all have free platforms and likely amplification.

Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by marshmellman on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:18AM (#25698282)
If they had a platform, wouldn’t they then not need to resort to violence to get their message heard?

It seems like those are examples of censorship driving individuals to violence.

Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by phs318u on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:29AM (#25698356)
You also can't rule out that if they had a platform, they'd use it to incite others to resort to violence on their behalf. For example, the Unabomber's manifesto expresses his belief that violence was necessary to provoke revolution against the technological society. The Unabomber's bombings were the "pre-violence" required to get his ideas out there, of which of which a violent revolution was one.
Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by marshmellman on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:51AM (#25698480)
Agreed. It doesn’t seem obvious to me whether or not censoring results in less violence in the parent’s examples.

Maybe it is obvious to those more well read on them.

Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by ipsocannibal on Saturday January 09, 2021 @04:29AM (#25698904)
Censorship driving people to violence in this case is much like a girl being pretty driving a goon to rape. The cause of the act in both cases is the perpetrators warped sense of ownership. Specifically ownership of other's thoughts, body, and time. They would feel entitled to that ownership whether met with resistence or not. In this case censorship seems reasonable otherwise you end up tacitly fostering the perpetrators view of ownership with your submission.
Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by thefucnjosh on Saturday January 09, 2021 @06:33AM (#25699546)
Given Trumps comments about women and Giuliani getting caught with his hands down their. The statement "not able to keep his hands in his pocket" is super on point.
Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by dang on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:10PM (#25709814)
Your account has been using the site primarily (exclusively even?) for political and ideological battle. That's the line at which we ban accounts, regardless of which politics or ideology they're battling for (see [1] for more explanation). We have to, because it destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is curious conversation, not smiting enemies.

I've therefore banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. The rules are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by hrbf on Saturday January 09, 2021 @03:11AM (#25698581)
I believe they did so to fire a warning shot, to be able to argue later that they were not banning immediately. I bet they knew that guy wouldn’t be able to keep his thumbs in his pockets – and that’s 100% on him.
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Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by bun_at_work on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:33PM (#25697033)
OP didn't claim a double standard. You're assuming you know more about OP than you do.
Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by lixtra on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:00PM (#25696697)
You should at least give an example to such a claim.
Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by lodi on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:16PM (#25696858)
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/08/27/906642178...

"[Looting] also attacks the very way in which food and things are distributed. It attacks the idea of property, and it attacks the idea that in order for someone to have a roof over their head or have a meal ticket, they have to work for a boss, in order to buy things that people just like them somewhere else in the world had to make under the same conditions. It points to the way in which that's unjust. And the reason that the world is organized that way, obviously, is for the profit of the people who own the stores and the factories. So you get to the heart of that property relation, and demonstrate that without police and without state oppression, we can have things for free."

"Looting strikes at the heart of property, of whiteness and of the police. It gets to the very root of the way those three things are interconnected. And also it provides people with an imaginative sense of freedom and pleasure and helps them imagine a world that could be. And I think that's a part of it that doesn't really get talked about — that riots and looting are experienced as sort of joyous and liberatory."

"But there's also another factor, which is anti-Blackness and contempt for poor people who want to live a better life, which looting immediately provides. One thing about looting is it freaks people out. But in terms of potential crimes that people can commit against the state, it's basically nonviolent. You're mass shoplifting. Most stores are insured; it's just hurting insurance companies on some level. It's just money. It's just property. It's not actually hurting any people."

Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by ABeeSea on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:25PM (#25696952)
What newspaper or website was that article on the “front page” of? The “code switch” podcast on NPR isn’t front page of anything.
Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by lodi on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:06AM (#25697329)
Here it is on the front page of newyorker.com, under "Examining Vicky Osterweil's Case For Looting".

https://web.archive.org/web/20200903174123/https://www.newyo...

Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by pvg on Saturday January 09, 2021 @01:51AM (#25698108)
How is this incitement to looting? The 'examining' in question is a highly critical interview which is pretty much interviewer Isaac Chotiner's thing. The piece is the opposite of what you are suggesting it is.
Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by lodi on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @05:38PM (#25768962)
You're right, the Isaac Chotiner piece is more balanced, but the original NPR interview absolutely isn't. I couldn't find the original NPR interview on the NPR homepage, so I--confusingly, in retrospect--linked the Chotiner followup, which was on the front page of a major publication.

Also I should add that the original NPR interview was on the "front page" of link aggregator sites like reddit and hn, because that's where I originally saw it.

Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by tptacek on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:53AM (#25712515)
This echoes a meme traveling around TheDonald right now, that Twitter booted Trump but allowed leftists to circulate "hang Mike Pence". The tops of those threads are people who don't realize that "hang Mike Pence" is a reference to something the rioters chanted; the bottoms include appeals for Pence's execution.
Re:Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump by jachee on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:56PM (#25697233)
That's a far cry from a temper tantrum of repeated lies about nonexistent fraud, and a "stolen" election for the sole, self-aggrandizing purpose of inciting rowdy, racist rednecks to literally break into—and tromp literal shit through—our hallowed house of power, endangering our lawmakers trying to do their jobs.