I am so sick of people cowering to idiots with assault rifles strapped to their chest threatening violence. If you hold the above attitude, it is working. This country cannot be held hostage because following the law will cause people to get pissed off and break shit.

25 or die!

This attitude seems like a way for the republic to die with a whimper.

His diehards are already convinced of that.

What he means is it would tip them over the edge and declare war against the government. Just like the way Ruby Ridge/Waco pushed McVeigh, only this time it would be much greater numbers willing to fight.

A couple thousand of them using bombs/weapons could cause massive amounts of continuous long-term damage. Guerilla warfare, as we've come to find out over the past 50 years, is nearly unwinnable. It would manifest as The Troubles American Edition.

McVeigh, John Brown, Bin Laden, Eric Rudolph, Kaczynski, are all the classic extremist that's willing to do whatever it takes to right what they perceive as an injustice.

Honestly, I disagree.

The strategy of not provoking the bear didn't work. The bear is provoked and attacked. Now is not the time to play dead and hope it gets bored. This bear will not get bored. This bear will happily feast, satisfied that the prey didn't put up a fight.

I don't think so. Watch, my prediction is that Trump will be gone on schedule and things will return to some semblance of normal.

What more damage will be have done, by the time he's gone on schedule?

I think that's part of what's at stake.

Trump is a grifter and a narcissist. He will not go away after the election. He will do everything he can to stay in the public eye and milk more money out of his supporters. Expect him to try to assert control over the Republican Party after the election.

Imo, the only way to deal with someone like him is to go scorched earth.

> What he means is it would tip them over the edge and declare war against the government.

Where would storming the Capitol slot in on the spectrum?

Not as bad as blowing up occupied federal buildings

There were reports that pipe bombs were found at both the RNC and DNC headquarters today.

It can get a lot worse than that. They were being "civilized" today.

To the downvoter, surely you don't think this is as bad as it can get.

> To the downvoter, surely you don't think this is as bad as it can get.

That's the argument for removing him.

We can pretty easily imagine what riots getting larger might look like. You very obviously are not thinking about what a sociopathic president coming more and more unwrapped might look like.

> What he means is it would tip them over the edge and declare war against the government.

What edge haven't they gone over already? From my reading of TD [dot] win they are 100% already there. What is being suggested is akin to negotiating with terrorists.

From these people's perspective, they are already on the losing side of a successful and massive coup, where even Mike Pence could be involved. So how does one recover from that narrative?

Guerilla warfare only works if the guerillas can hide among a sympathetic populace or in a remote area. The former seems unlikely (how many Americans are really willing to risk life or freedom for Trump) and the latter is largely ineffective because of geographic separation from targets.

Hasn't it become clear that appeasement won't work with these people?

No. Weigh the risk and reward. If you take harsh action now, you risk provoking the situation for what? He's gone in two weeks.

Just maintain order and wait it out.

It seems to me that teaching potential demagogues that they will go unpunished if it's sufficiently inconvenient is a bad lesson to teach if you want to keep a republic.

You can't impeach or have any justice done in two weeks. It's just not worth it.

If there's some kind of crime that's been committed and it can be prosecuted successfully, then by all means after he's out of office. I don't think that's the case though.

You can prevent him from pardoning the rioters. You can bar him from running again.

Impeachment actually does things other express disappointment.

I have been hearing this same shit for 4 years and look at this smoking crater.

If you take harsh action now, you make it clear to any future copy-cats that this behaviour will not be tolerated.

There's a reason why kings typically had the parts of traitors nailed to the city gate, after all.

Ridiculous. The brazen depravity of this man must be met with consequences. Life is tolerable because we agree on a system of laws to abide by. What you're saying is like claiming it's fine to cheat on an exam if it's the last week of your degree. A harsh example must be made out of Trump.

Given that this would make Mike Pence the acting president, how would that be a coup? In this story, would Mike Pence be a puppet to greater, shadowy forces?