U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by vlunkr on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:32PM (#25662815)

I think you have to be in a really bad place mentally do what they are doing. They're either incapable of seeing the consequences, or they're happy to be martyrs for what they think is a just cause.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by ecf on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @05:19PM (#25663410)

Or they think they will be pardoned because why not? Trump already pardoned literal war criminals.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by tim333 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @05:00PM (#25663195)

I wonder if there will be consequences for Trump?

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by boringg on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @10:31PM (#25666954)

25th amendment is in discussion by his cabinet. Consequences are coming down hard.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by AlexandrB on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:11AM (#25667506)

After the last 4 years the idea that there will be consequences for anything Trump does is laughable. He'll take up painting veterans or some other hobby and rehabilitate his image soon enough.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by krapp on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:18AM (#25667542)

It's going to be really awkward when he runs again in 2024.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by boringg on Thursday January 07, 2021 @08:23AM (#25670693)

Does feel that way sometimes. Senate not impressed, house is filled bunch of jokers so they aren’t doing anything.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by dillondoyle on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @08:53PM (#25666241)

Will they use cell phone data to charge these thousands of terrorists like they did on the peaceful outdoor BLM protestors?

Just a bit of snark I don't believe that's legal or even if so with current laws it should be.

But I do not think we will see Federal charges at equivalent levels /per capita as BLM protests.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by andylynch on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:52PM (#25662311)

Unfortunately this is also going to be another superspreader event. Odds are this will lead to fatalities even without this violence.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by mFixman on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @11:00PM (#25667138)

Won't Trump just pardon everyone?

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by paganel on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:32PM (#25662032)

They're probably going to give an amnesty for today's events, what are they going to do? Throw thousands of people in jail and make them political martyrs?

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by runako on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:08PM (#25662512)

Yes?

The opposite sends the message that you run a low probability of sanction if you attack the US Capitol. Very bad incentive.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by rightbyte on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @08:54PM (#25666248)

How about locking the doors? I didn't see any battering rams.

This thing was a major police messup.

There should have been plenty riot police available that can force people to not enter. Obviously the risk of protesters trying to go in was high when Trump had a rally outside.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by ghostr on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @10:24PM (#25666904)

https://youtu.be/CEEEMB0c5So

Not just a matter of doors sadly...

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by rightbyte on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @11:01PM (#25667142)

Oh ... ok maybe harder to seal off than I thought.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by runako on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @11:27PM (#25667274)

Regardless of how they got in, all of these folks should be in jail awaiting charges for felony murder, along with a raft of other things.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by rightbyte on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:16AM (#25667535)

Felony murder would imply that the death of the women was murder, right? A guess both tresspassing or rioting is more proper charges. IANAL.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by runako on Thursday January 07, 2021 @10:00AM (#25671793)

IANAL, but...

Felony murder applies when a person dies while the offender is committing any of a set of felonies. It doesn't matter how the person died, or whether it was intentional because the intent to commit the initial felony is enough.

The canonical example is everyone who took part in a bank robbery can be charged with murder if the bank guards kill one of the robbers. This even applies to the getaway driver, who may not have entered the bank.

The initial felony could be any of: the assault on the building, breaking & entering, various domestic terror statutes we have for this sort of thing.

There were at least 4 deaths at the Capitol yesterday. All of the insurgents should be facing 4 murder charges, in addition to the other charges that we would expect.

Edit: possibly relevant statute: https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/sections/22-2101.h...

This appears to indicate that everyone who illegally entered the Capitol yesterday can be indicted for first-degree murder, which carries a sentence of 30 to life in DC.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by boringg on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:10PM (#25662543)

Exactly. Are you an economist per chance? Incentive logic runs rampant in economics.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by boringg on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:47PM (#25662250)

I think they will go after key figures - that would be my take and rightfully so.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by jedimastert on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:36PM (#25662079)

If not, Trump will for sure

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by boringg on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:47PM (#25662238)

By the time charges are laid he's out.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by tomjen3 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:59PM (#25662399)

Doesn't matter. He can pardon them before any charges are laid out, or after and he can give a blanket pardon for crimes related to whatever and to anybody involved, because the pardons don't have to be to a named person.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by boringg on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:11PM (#25662553)

I thought this hasn't been determined to viable yet as as strategy.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by favorited on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:46PM (#25663027)

It's happened before. For example, President Carter pardoned all Vietnam War draft dodgers.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by dragonwriter on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:50PM (#25663064)

“It’s happened before” doesn’t actually mean that it is legally effective, unless it has also been challenged and prevailed in court.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by tartoran on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:22PM (#25662679)

He doesn't even know who they are, he can pardon them only nominally not as a category.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by vkou on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:41PM (#25662964)

That might work, but would you like to put your life on the line for the capital crime of treason and insurrection, with the hope that a non-specific pardon will shield you from the rule of law?

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by tomjen3 on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:46PM (#25663021)

I would not, but there are people who are not the same as me.

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by djakaitis on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @04:06PM (#25662501)

Execute for treason?

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Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests by commandlinefan on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @03:45PM (#25662208)

Especially difficult after having spent a year praising (often violent) protests.

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