Not saying the police response has been perfect, but this video doesn't say much about that.
- the 'resistance' was very weak at least at first. The videos of the 'storming' didn't show much resistance, no gas, no rubber bullets, no attempt to hold the line. here is a 'selfie' [2] which to be fair doesn't show cop actively participating, but does show him just standing there. There are some photos of guns drawn trying to protect the floor, obviously out numbered once they secured Members I understand completely retreating. But the main uniformed officers at the entrances didn't act.
It's a stark difference. My story is that here in Denver I was gassed, before curfew, before an unlawful assembly was declared, during a peaceful protest this summer. They shot more than a few eyes out of their sockets with rubber bullets. A judge had to restrain the Denver police for their violence.
Compare to today it took a LONG time for them to deploy these same weapons, and it doesn't even look like they used tear gas/irritants at least in the first videos, just smoke; unlike what they gassed us with and those in Lafayette Park and across the country.
1 https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/national-guard-lincoln-memor... 2 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520
This was 1000% a failure from the top, there are lots of videos of these poor uniformed officers on the outer lines outnumbered 1000 / 1 with no gear, no tear gas or other riot weapons, fighting back but just getting trampled, shot with tear gas, hit with bat things, etc. It looks like instead of refusing to respond they didn't have the equipment to.
While the many were brave, there are definitely still some sympathizers and participants for instance WaPo has quotes that there were off duty officers of the law flashing their badges to get in.
i think good chance we'll see the evidence it was intentional negligence denying support/materials/gear and intentionally delaying a response on the part of Trump's DOJ etc.
Send out the subpoenas, and interview this weekend -> vote Monday.
these and so many more, but this focuses on the outer 'rings' https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/134696651499014963... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOgGsC0G9U
That is literally letting them in. They didn't stand their position. They literally walked backwards and let the crowd in.
And, you know, taking selfies with them.
This is a backwards argument. The police didn't do their jobs. They were even seen taking selfies with the trespassers: https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520
Of course it is always possible to modulate people’s behaviour through incentives and so on, to achieve a very high probability that they will behave in certain ways.
In this case it seems that the balance was in favor of the protestors.
Pigs can't be trusted. They like to pretend they're protecting people and doing the right thing. But they're just bullies in uniform. Never trust any of them. Ever. "My dad is a cop though and..." no. If there was a single good cop, they would have stopped this. Fucking pigs. Your dad is a pig. Get over it.
Maybe if cops had better training, they would stop something like this and focus on protecting us. But they don't, and they didn't. They're pigs. Don't be another person who buys into the pigs' lies.
It's also the kind of rhetoric that has driven so many in law enforcement into Trumpism.
People were harmed and property was destroyed. There's plenty of videos of fights breaking out and capitol windows being broken.
https://twitter.com/search?q=washingtondc%20windows%20until%...
The only dead person was one of the protestors.
Besides the democratic process
> destroyed nothing
Besides the capitol
> the voice of the unheard!
I've been hearing about them weekly for the last 4 years and I'm not even in the US
There have been quite a number of injuries and property damage, deployment of chemical irritants by the mob against law enforcement, and several explosive devices identified and defused in the attempt to use violence and threats of further violence to overturn the results of the recent election.
You're right, I've revised my view of the incident. I now see this constitutes sedition, an attack on our very republic.
For consistency, I've also reconsidered my view of the BLM riots. In light of the billions in property damage; the tens of direct deaths and thousands of ensuing murders; the violent mob attacks on law enforcement, replete with "chemical irritants" and Molotov cocktails; all on a scale 1e3 to 1e5 larger than what's happening in DC; I have to conclude they were a grave act of terrorism.
People that think Camp X-Ray is a crime against humanity don’t think that it is because no one there is an actual terrorist, but because being an actual terrorist doesn’t justify what is and has been done at Camp X-Ray.
So, yeah, these people shouldn’t be “sent to Gitmo”. Not because they aren’t terrorists (they are) but because that’s not what we should do to terrorists.
There are always people taking advantage of or inciting chaos to do reckless things. They need to be tried and, if found guilty, punished. Even if they're the president.
"People over property" is probably the most direct encouragement of property destruction.
Only some small portion of these protests are likely to be violent bad actors, and the proper protesters should not be disrupted by law enforcement
One of the participants in the violent, felonious (18 USC Secs. 111, 231, 372, 1361, 1752, 2101, 2383, 2384, and possibly others) conspiracy, you mean.
And what about BLM protestors attacking Republicans like Rand Paul in DC?
But the media conveniently made excuse why it was “mostly peaceful” then a few Trump loonies barge their way into the capital, one of them gets shot, and “it’s a coup attempt”.
The double standard is amazing.
And I would rather see this police response for BLM, than that response for these people.
> Thats probably because you hate black people more than you respect Democracy.
this is extra funny to me because it is also mathematically bogus. I'm saying I very much don't want the cops harassing BLM protests, even if it the price is letting these protests vandalize the Capitol building.
Maybe poster meant "That's probably because you like black people more than you respect Democracy". To which I answer, "...you call the Senate Democracy?"
It absolutely fits the definition of terrorism.
So this might be terrorism, but no big deal right?
Having been gassed and flashbanged all summer in Portland while protesting for Black Lives, the last word I can imagine using to describe police restraint is "despicable." I don't wish that shit on anybody.
[1] https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/ [2] https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a4...
It strikes me as pyschopathic to endorse actions that stand a 7% chance of ruining numerous innocent lives.
[1] https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/im...
[2] https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-highway-...
It is unfortunate though, that this strategy is only seemingly applied to white people.
It is much more than unfortunate.
https://twitter.com/shomaristone/status/1346941715895250949
https://twitter.com/Journo_Christal/status/13469458353685012...
Also, WTF do you mean by any evidence of buildings being looted or vandalized? Have you stuck your head in sand or not seen the rioters destroying shit in the Capitol? Just look up any legitimate media source or anything on twitter from today. They also fucking placed pipe bombs and explosives in several locations.
What you had after the evacuation was complete was just a few fools breaking some windows, posing on the dias for Twitter likes, and wandering the hallways. I'm surprised they haven't spray painted their message on the walls yet.
Government property gets vandalized all the time, and can be replaced. The last thing you want to do is to kill these people who have been trapped in a cult of disinformation and turn them into martyrs, possibly building into a civil war. Currently, the response makes them look weak, but at the end of the day they'll all just leave, hopefully without loss of life.
That civil war must be avoided at all costs, and if a tepid-looking response, a few of them getting away without being arrested, a few panes of glass, and some carpet cleaning are what that costs, then I'm more than happy to pay it.
I'm less enthusiastic about the criminals at the top escaping prison time, as Joe Biden seems intent on allowing per his messaging, but again, if prosecuting everyone complicit in the previous administration's crimes has a 1% chance of inciting civil war, well, it's just not worth it.
The military only became involved after local governments gave "protesters" space over multiple days and emboldened the idiots to the point local police were overwhelmed.
[1] https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a4...
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-pro...