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Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by microtherion on Monday January 04, 2021 @08:07AM (#25630790)
Apple used to have easter eggs in its software, crediting individual engineers. Steve Jobs banned them, saying it would be unfair to give credit to individuals instead of the whole company, would make it easier for competitors to poach key engineers, etc.

At the time, Jobs was also running Pixar, which never seemed to have problems in its movies to credit everybody down to the hairstylist of the second unit's caterer by name. Hmm… could it be that… they were unionized and we were not?

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by kenhwang on Monday January 04, 2021 @08:21AM (#25630956)
Credit everyone by name or credit no one by name. It is inherently unfair to only credit key talent.
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by karaterobot on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:03AM (#25633038)
At least part of the reason not to credit individual engineers is that it damages the myth of the genius CEO. Ask most people who invented the iphone, they will not say "it was the work of hundreds of people at a dozen companies inside and outside Apple", they'll say "Steve Jobs".
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by ksec on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @07:03AM (#25644654)
That is different though. Steve Jobs never claimed credit himself. As a matter of fact his autograph are extremely rare;

"Steve politely declined several times, stating that everything at Apple was a group effort, so he didn’t like to sign and take credit for everything. " [1]

And with every Keynote Steve will thank all teams who has been working nights and days, often using the phase "separated from their families". And constant and consistently reminding everyone that "We, at Apple." Not "Me, Steve Jobs".

I remember some made the observation Elon Musk is more about selling himself than Tesla or SpaceX. Steve Jobs is more about selling Apple himself.

But at the same time let's admit it, Apple without Steve Jobs is just different. There is no one to keep the balance between everyone. Jony, Eddy, Tim, Phill, Scott Forstall and lots of others. Steve often likes to refer Apple as the Beatles, where the whole is greater than sum of its parts, and they kept everyone's flaws in check.

[1] https://live.autographmagazine.com/profiles/blogs/steve-jobs...

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by greggman3 on Monday January 04, 2021 @08:57AM (#25631368)
It's also incredibly unfair to credit people not really related to the actual product. Should the names of all the employees of some bookstore in Wyoming be in the credits for Harry Potter books?

The credits for God of War PS4 were 28 minutes long listing pretty much every employ of Sony in all countries down to caterers.

Personally I find that insulting and unfair to the actual creative team that made the game.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by kenhwang on Monday January 04, 2021 @09:17AM (#25631590)
Which is why credit appearance order and grouping is such a big deal and part of contract negotiation in films. Earlier appearances is supposed to signify importance (notice when a group of names isn't alphabetical), along with pre-title and marketing materials credits and the slideshow credits separate from the rolling credits.
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by pulse7 on Monday January 04, 2021 @08:42AM (#25631175)
Isn't the moral right of every (software) author that his name is mentioned next to the authored intellectual property (software)? This is even written in copyright laws of some countries...
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by colejohnson66 on Monday January 04, 2021 @02:19PM (#25636468)
Unless as part of your employment, you agreed to an implicit copyright reassignment to the organization. In that instance, a “(c) Alphabet ####” is allowed.
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by microtherion on Monday January 04, 2021 @04:13PM (#25638146)
In countries that know true "Moral Rights", those rights are unassignable, so any such agreement is void. Your employer still gets all the money, but you get the "Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!" clout if you want it.
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by microtherion on Monday January 04, 2021 @08:52AM (#25631290)
That's an excellent question. I believe non-visual moral rights are not recognized in the US, and I'm not sure they've ever been tested for software in any other Berne Convention signatories.
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by Jach on Monday January 04, 2021 @10:42AM (#25632727)
Video game studios routinely credit everyone, too. Though there's some politics involved (just like in movies) I won't get into.

Could it be... that crediting is part of the industry norms in one case, and not the other? Absolutely nothing to do with unions.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by sriku on Monday January 04, 2021 @08:53AM (#25631312)
We've done a /humans.txt for this in a now dead project.

http://humanstxt.org

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by anoncake on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:02AM (#25633024)
> The CEO banned them, saying it would be unfair to give credit to individuals instead of the whole company,

It sounds a lot less hypocritical this way.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by TigeriusKirk on Monday January 04, 2021 @09:39AM (#25631845)
To my knowledge, Pixar is non-union.
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by microtherion on Monday January 04, 2021 @01:35PM (#25635854)
But they are still operating adjacent to a highly unionized industry, so parts of their products may have operated under union rules, and for others, they may have competed for employees that had a choice to work for unionized employers.