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Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by hdjtkrnrn on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @10:56AM (#25570987)
What is an influencer to do? Switch to Android, like poor people?

Nobody who matters is going to boycott Apple.

Apple will counter with a plausible narrative, "we didn't know, we cancelled contracts, ..." and everything will be fine again.

Oh, and a new woke diversity ad to show how much they care about muslims. And everybody will share and clap and feel good.

Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by api on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @10:59AM (#25571017)
You're right, and that's why governments must step in. Markets are not configured or incentivized to address ills like this, nor are corporations. Asking a corporation to right large scale social wrongs is like asking the DMV to operate your military or walking into a restaurant and asking them to come fix your roof. It's just the wrong socioeconomic tool for the job. If you try to really pressure or force them to do it, they'll do something half-assed much as you describe.

Boycotts can work a little, but a boycott large enough to be effective and overcome other market forces is very hard to organize and sustain.

I'm not totally letting Apple off the hook, just pointing out that without the government doing something here any measures Apple or anyone else takes will be ineffective. Even if Apple starts pushing back on this, other manufacturers will fill the void and take advantage of that cheap labor instead. Apple might even find it tough to police this since Chinese companies may lie about where work is being performed or who is doing it. They're likely to demand that Apple pay more for different labor and then pocket the money and use forced labor instead.

Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by ryandrake on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @01:26PM (#25573028)
Boycott is a fine tool if we're talking about influencing the corner grocery store in a town of 100 people. You might actually put a dent in their business and cause them to change whatever you're boycotting about. On the other hand, boycotts are totally pointless vs GlobalUltraMegaCorps. If everyone on HN stopped buying from these massive companies, it wouldn't even be noticed. Apple sells roughly 200 million iPhones yearly. Do you think it's possible to get even 1% of those customers to act on a boycott?
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by MaxHoppersGhost on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:01AM (#25571057)
Exactly. No one is ditching their iPhone. It’s all about the blue text bubbles. If Americans would just switch to WhatsApp or something else like the rest of the world we could get past the Android stigma.
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:09AM (#25571158)
Is the labor used to make an iPhone and different than any other phone? Or any other electronics for that matter?

As far as I know, unless you stop consuming electronics completely, you’re not avoiding the labor abuses mining the necessary metals in Central Africa or the labor to manufacture it in Asia.

Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by corty on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:33AM (#25571490)
There is e.g. Fairphone
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by ficklepickle on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:39AM (#25571577)
If that's what people care about, then humanity deserves what is coming to it.
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by alisonkisk on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:54AM (#25571767)
What's coming? A hedonic exploitation of poor and oppressed humans? The global rich are largely happy to get that.
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by philliphaydon on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:28AM (#25571430)
WhatsApp is terrible and insecure. Facebook already knows too much about me.
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by herbst on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:38AM (#25571559)
So why not Signal? Telegram? Slack? Discord if thats your thing. Or even Email?

I mean we do have plenty of choice, many actually caring about security and their users.

Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by monocasa on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @01:34PM (#25573116)
Telegram, Slack, and Discord are also awful for privacy FWIW.
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by mrkstu on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:31AM (#25571470)
So, switch to an actual Chinese phone then?

About the only 'safe' phone would be a Samsung phone, but the likelihood that some parts are still sourced from un-vetted Chinese parts supplier is high.

Apple is far from perfect, but they do more than 99% of manufacturers. Even the most 'woke' fashion brands are now having to deal with the fact that much of their cotton is coming from Uyghur forced labor.

I applaud this kind of reporting, to expose the practices of the Nazi-like Chinese/Industrial exploitation machine, but I'm leery of the tendency to apply 'Apple' to every such article, like Greenpeace was doing for a long while to drum up publicity.

Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by diebeforei485 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @12:02PM (#25571873)
Samsung is one of Lens Technology's biggest customers, according to the New York Times[1]. This is the company in today's report , so I'm not sure why you think Samsung is safe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/business/international/ho...

Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by mrkstu on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:18PM (#25574342)
So you're making my point for me? Even the most vertically integrated manufacturer, who tries to avoid Chinese dependencies for strategic reasons, can't avoid it.
Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by jjulius on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:43AM (#25571641)
>Apple is far from perfect, but they do more than 99% of manufacturers.

Source?

Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by cutemonster on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:03PM (#25574145)
What about Fairphone, https://www.fairphone.com?
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Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by Buge on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @01:12PM (#25572821)
hdjtkrnrn isn't downvoted. By the way, it's against the rules to comment about downvotes.
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Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by dang on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:05PM (#25574163)
Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines? You've done that many times in this thread.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor i... by trevyn on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:53AM (#25571755)
>What is an influencer to do?

Make a lot of noise about it. Use an iPhone and be very vocal about human rights abuses.